Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community - FT86CLUB

Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community - FT86CLUB (https://www.ft86club.com/forums/index.php)
-   Wheels | Tires | Spacers | Hub -- Sponsored by The Tire Rack (https://www.ft86club.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=24)
-   -   Wheel advice (https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44447)

Fast_Freddy 08-16-2013 01:21 AM

Wheel advice
 
Hey guys, I could use some help picking a set of wheels for my firestorm FRS. I know I want to stay with 17's and I'm leaning toward 17x8 with 225-45-17 UHP summer tires.

What I need your help with is choosing the best offset to balance handling and aesthetics. I'm not lowered and probably won't be. I don't care about being flush but would like to improve on the oem look without compromising the suspension geometry.

I also need some wheel suggestions. I know black looks great on red cars but I'm really partial to hyper black, black chrome, or whatever other name they use. I like the hyper black Rota Grids but what else should I look at?TIA.

Fast_Freddy 08-21-2013 01:45 PM

Okay, how about opinions on Rota Grid 2 in 17x8 +38 hyper black on my firestorm FRS? Can anyone suggest other wheel manufacturers that offer this color under whatever name? TIA.

Shadow Blue 08-21-2013 04:13 PM

You need 9 inches on the pavement for maximum grip.

Gary in NJ 08-21-2013 04:17 PM

For street driving, choose the offset that you think looks best. I'm running et35 on 17x8's and don't feel any difference in scrub radius. If you drive a lot on a 300 foot skid pad you will notice the wider track.

SortaFlushed 08-21-2013 04:50 PM

Imho I think 18's is the bare minimum.

Fast_Freddy 08-21-2013 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadow Blue (Post 1157287)
You need 9 inches on the pavement for maximum grip.

It's all about compromise. 17x9 with 245-40-17's might look and grip great but 17x8 with 225-45-17 will be lighter, ride better and get better mpg. I also don't want to lose the fun factor with too much grip.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gary in NJ (Post 1157301)
For street driving, choose the offset that you think looks best. I'm running et35 on 17x8's and don't feel any difference in scrub radius. If you drive a lot on a 300 foot skid pad you will notice the wider track.

Thanks. My new problem seems to be finding the size, style, offset and finish I want all together.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SortaFlushed (Post 1157389)
Imho I think 18's is the bare minimum.

For me at least, it's function over form. 18's look good but make a slow car even slower.

ZDan 08-21-2013 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fast_Freddy (Post 1157402)
It's all about compromise. 17x9 with 245-40-17's might look and grip great but 17x8 with 225-45-17 will be lighter, ride better and get better mpg.

Enkei RPF1: 17x8 = 15.6 lb., 17x9 = 15.9 lb.

Michelin Pilot SuperSport: 225/45-17 = 22 lb., 245/40-17 = 23 lb.

1.3 lb. per corner

Ever so *slightly* better gearing and lower ride height with 24.7" 245/40s vs. the possibly/theoretically better mpg and ride with the 25" 225/45s!

Shadow Blue 08-21-2013 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fast_Freddy (Post 1157402)
It's all about compromise. 17x9 with 245-40-17's might look and grip great but 17x8 with 225-45-17 will be lighter, ride better and get better mpg. I also don't want to lose the fun factor with too much grip.

You don't always have to compromise...at least not where you weren't going to already. In your OP you stated that you probably won't be lowering it. So what a great opportunity to go wider without worrying! Besides, 9's aren't really that wide anyway. As far as weight, do as ZDan said and get some Enkei's. They are the best bang for your buck on a purpose build.

clintavo 08-21-2013 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fast_Freddy (Post 1144781)
Hey guys, I could use some help picking a set of wheels for my firestorm FRS. I know I want to stay with 17's and I'm leaning toward 17x8 with 225-45-17 UHP summer tires.

What I need your help with is choosing the best offset to balance handling and aesthetics. I'm not lowered and probably won't be. I don't care about being flush but would like to improve on the oem look without compromising the suspension geometry.

I am at the same crossroads. The lightest affordable rim/tire combination I have found is the Kosei K4R 17x7 (14 lbs) and 215/45 Dunlop DZ101 (21 lbs). This would be over 5 lbs per corner weight reduction over stock, which in my experience is quite noticeable in acceleration and bumpy road handling.

17x8 RPF1 (15.6 lbs) with 225/45 is roughly 2 lbs heavier than the 17x7 combo above. Is the marginal increase in contact patch worth it?

17x8 or 9 with a 245 tire isn't an option for me: +45 disallows the use of camber bolts (rubs the spring perch), +35 pokes.

Am I missing another option?

ZDan 08-21-2013 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clintavo (Post 1157704)
215/45 Dunlop DZ101

Tire size is fine, but I wouldn't go with the DZ101. Much worse wet grip vs. other UHP or Max perf tires.
I would investigate alternatives:
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/TireSe...45&diameter=17

clintavo 08-21-2013 07:40 PM

Good to know, thanks.

BrokenNocturne 08-21-2013 07:42 PM

Can I have some thoughts on these rims? I like the way they look, but I imagine there are folks here that know way more about choosing good rims for you vehicle than I do...

http://www.tirerack.com/wheels/Wheel...nt&showRear=no

:thanks:

clintavo 08-21-2013 08:03 PM

At 20.6 lbs, slightly heavier than stock. Then again, most wheels in that price range are about 19 lbs.

Looks are... subjective. Personally, I believe god kills a kitten every time these are purchased.

I can't help but think the lighter ones look better, the same way I prefer the look of a $100 bill over a 1$ bill. It's about the capability.

Fast_Freddy 08-22-2013 01:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZDan (Post 1157447)
Enkei RPF1: 17x8 = 15.6 lb., 17x9 = 15.9 lb.

Michelin Pilot SuperSport: 225/45-17 = 22 lb., 245/40-17 = 23 lb.

1.3 lb. per corner

Ever so *slightly* better gearing and lower ride height with 24.7" 245/40s vs. the possibly/theoretically better mpg and ride with the 25" 225/45s!

Good job of finding that needle in a haystack! That example is far from the more typical 2-3lbs per corner. So much for the accuracy of Tire Rack's wheel weights. There is no avoiding some increase in rolling resistance and aerodynamic drag with wider tires. Thanks for your help but I have zero interest in RPF1s unless they're hyper black.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadow Blue (Post 1157493)
You don't always have to compromise...at least not where you weren't going to already. In your OP you stated that you probably won't be lowering it. So what a great opportunity to go wider without worrying! Besides, 9's aren't really that wide anyway. As far as weight, do as ZDan said and get some Enkei's. They are the best bang for your buck on a purpose build.

I forgot to mention that I'm compromising some function for form too. Finish has to be hyper black. Current choices are Rota G-Force 17x8 +48, Torque +48 and Grid 2 +38. I have yet to find a 17x9 in HB that won't poke too much for my taste.

Quote:

Originally Posted by clintavo (Post 1157704)
I am at the same crossroads. The lightest affordable rim/tire combination I have found is the Kosei K4R 17x7 (14 lbs) and 215/45 Dunlop DZ101 (21 lbs). This would be over 5 lbs per corner weight reduction over stock, which in my experience is quite noticeable in acceleration and bumpy road handling.

17x8 RPF1 (15.6 lbs) with 225/45 is roughly 2 lbs heavier than the 17x7 combo above. Is the marginal increase in contact patch worth it?

17x8 or 9 with a 245 tire isn't an option for me: +45 disallows the use of camber bolts (rubs the spring perch), +35 pokes.

Am I missing another option?

In your example the extra contact patch is definitely not worth the extra weight, IMO.


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:00 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging v3.3.0 (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2026 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.


Garage vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.