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Fast_Freddy 06-12-2013 02:27 PM

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Bullnettles 06-12-2013 02:41 PM

Header did the most to increase the sound, but I put mine on after I did the cat-back. I highly recommend the stock cat-back if you want quieter; I bought the quietest exhaust I could and it's loud as heck to me.

Bg8780 06-12-2013 03:02 PM

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36467

Some of this info from my old thread might help.

Bullnettles 06-13-2013 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Fast_Freddy (Post 997938)
So are you running the Q300?

Greddy SP Elite

Gardus@Supersprint 06-13-2013 10:35 AM

You could change the headers and overpipe and keep the stock front pipe with the secondary cat and the rest of the OEM system.
In terms of power increase I have no sure values but my guess is around +7-10 hp of peak power at the crank, probably more than 10 at 6000 rpm.
You'll need to sort out the O2 sensor issue with a microcat/emulator/cheater, with a ECU tune or extending the wire and plugging the sensor after the secondary cat instead of between primary and secondary (you must weld a bung!)

An even better idea is to replace the front pipe with the secondary cat with a sport cat, along with the headers. You'll get the same increase of a full system, low emissions if you go for a good cat and a nice sound increase.
Don't go for a fully decat setup with the stock centre and rear exhaust as it'll be VERY metallic. We've tested this solution and while the car runs fine (no time for dyno testing) the sound is not very good. We're thinking to make a resonated front pipe for this purpose (full decat front section with stock or aftermarket catback)

Simmons 06-13-2013 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Gardus@Supersprint (Post 999542)
You could change the headers and overpipe and keep the stock front pipe with the secondary cat and the rest of the OEM system.
In terms of power increase I have no sure values but my guess is around +7-10 hp of peak power at the crank, probably more than 10 at 6000 rpm.
You'll need to sort out the O2 sensor issue with a microcat/emulator/cheater, with a ECU tune or extending the wire and plugging the sensor after the secondary cat instead of between primary and secondary (you must weld a bung!)

An even better idea is to replace the front pipe with the secondary cat with a sport cat, along with the headers. You'll get the same increase of a full system, low emissions if you go for a good cat and a nice sound increase.
Don't go for a fully decat setup with the stock centre and rear exhaust as it'll be VERY metallic. We've tested this solution and while the car runs fine (no time for dyno testing) the sound is not very good. We're thinking to make a resonated front pipe for this purpose (full decat front section with stock or aftermarket catback)


This is what I had last week, JDL UEL Header, Perrin over pipe, Perrin front pipe with hfc, and stock cat-back.

It was very quiet, maybe a little louder than stock.

Now I have the same setup but with a Moto-East aluminum axle back(5lbs) It sounds awesome, and saved 21lbs.

Simmons

Gardus@Supersprint 06-14-2013 04:41 AM

Hi Simmons. Did you dyno the car before and after those mods (without the tune or with the same tune both times)?
I'm skeptical about the advantage of a unequal lenght header kit, aside from the advantage of the removal of the primary cat.

Simmons 06-14-2013 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Gardus@Supersprint (Post 1001620)
Hi Simmons. Did you dyno the car before and after those mods (without the tune or with the same tune both times)?
I'm skeptical about the advantage of a unequal lenght header kit, aside from the advantage of the removal of the primary cat.

I had a couple dyno's of the car with everything except the header, then the finale one with the header. It made a big difference, no more tq dip.


Simmons

Gardus@Supersprint 06-14-2013 08:50 AM

Charts?

Laika 06-14-2013 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Simmons (Post 999865)
This is what I had last week, JDL UEL Header, Perrin over pipe, Perrin front pipe with hfc, and stock cat-back.

It was very quiet, maybe a little louder than stock.

This is the greatest header info I've heard. Sound like exactly what I'm looking for

Rampage 08-09-2013 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Fast_Freddy (Post 1129524)
Okay, I received my Tsudo catted front pipe from Jon Motoring and it is a true objet d'art. Much prettier TIG welds than any other front pipe I've seen yet and 304SS polished to perfection. Perfect fitment, 200 metallic substrate cat and 1/2" thick, perfectly flat flanges. Jon Motoring even included a 304 SS L-shaped O2 spacer much like one sold by Weapon-R for $60. All this for $170 with free shipping? WOOT!!!

Price on the website seems to be $200?

Aaron_blatherwick 08-09-2013 02:29 PM

You really should get some sound clips up, that is exactly the set up I am wanting to do also, I have decided to do the muffer last if at all. The header and hi flow cat front pipe will be first. I want the real nice sound and the hp gain in the torque dip from the uel header, but I think with cat back it might be too loud for what I'm looking for. I don't want people to hear me coming from a mile away as I drive spirited on their lake road. I'm really wanting to try and get the rev works header but the price of borla is hard to pass up, as long as they hold up on their end for warranty issues.

Fast_Freddy 08-14-2013 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Aaron_blatherwick (Post 1130386)
You really should get some sound clips up, that is exactly the set up I am wanting to do also, I have decided to do the muffer last if at all. The header and hi flow cat front pipe will be first. I want the real nice sound and the hp gain in the torque dip from the uel header, but I think with cat back it might be too loud for what I'm looking for. I don't want people to hear me coming from a mile away as I drive spirited on their lake road. I'm really wanting to try and get the rev works header but the price of borla is hard to pass up, as long as they hold up on their end for warranty issues.

I'm going to a dyno today. I'll have sound clips and dyno sheets soon. Maybe even a before and after tune comparison.

DarkSunrise 08-14-2013 09:13 AM

Awesome keep us posted.


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