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koyv90 05-29-2013 04:12 AM

sway bar lengths?
 
Anyone know the difference that sway bar lengths will have on the frs/brz.
For example Cusco has 2 front sway bars; 16 and 22. What is the difference?

rx3 05-29-2013 04:24 AM

That's the thickness in mm (not length).
22 mm has a much higher torsion stiffness than 16mm.
If they were solid rods the 22 mm rod would be 260% stiffer than the 16 mm rod.

ft_sjo 05-29-2013 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by rx3 (Post 966356)
If they were solid rods the 22 mm rod would be 260% stiffer than the 16 mm rod.

I think your sums are a bit wrong there.

koyv90 05-29-2013 04:36 AM

well dang i was ignorant. But what does the thickness have to do with handling?

rx3 05-29-2013 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by ft_sjo
I think your sums are a bit wrong there.

Torsional resistance is proportional to the diameter^3.

Example: Doubling the diameter of a rod doesn't just double its torsional stiffness but increases it by a factor of 8.

rx3 05-29-2013 04:42 AM

Increasing the stiffness of the swaybar reduces body roll.

Also, increasing swaybar stiffness in the front increases under-steer.
And increasing swaybar stiffness in the rear increases over-steer.

koyv90 05-29-2013 04:43 AM

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Originally Posted by rx3 (Post 966373)
Increasing the stiffness of the swaybar reduces body roll.

Also, increasing swaybar stiffness in the front increases under-steer.
And increasing swaybar stiffness in the rear increases over-steer.

what if you want to have the same settings as stock but stiffer sway bars?

rx3 05-29-2013 04:45 AM

Then you would need to increase swaybar stiffness in the front and rear equally (replace front and rear sway bar).

Body roll will be reduced but the suspension will be stiffer and for instance have more difficulties to deal with potholes.

koyv90 05-29-2013 04:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rx3 (Post 966377)
Then you would need to increase swaybar stiffness in the front and rear equally (replace front and rear sway bar).

cool thanks for the much needed info :D!

ft_sjo 05-29-2013 05:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rx3 (Post 966370)
Torsional resistance is proportional to the diameter^3.

Example: Doubling the diameter of a rod doesn't just double its torsional stiffness but increases it by a factor of 8.

Incorrect, it's ^4 (for a solid bar).

A 22mm bar is approx 360% stiffer than 16mm one. Of course once you factor in your lever arms etc. that figure goes out the window, but for a straight bar it's correct.

rx3 05-29-2013 06:44 AM

You're right. I mixed it up with torsional tension which is proportional to d^-3.

Xauterus 05-30-2013 02:25 AM

Isn't one of the Cusco sway bars tubular?


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