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Mo707 04-18-2013 11:10 PM

Off topic honda problems. Help?
 
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So i don't know where too post this but about a month ago i bought a 1998 Honda civic with 244,*** miles on it for $600. When I got the car it wasn't running right. A few weeks in my shop class and i get the car running "properly". I put an aftermarket exhaust on it and about two days ago my friend(who was driving behind me) tells me he saw smoke coming out of my exhaust when i really gas it. I've also noticed that the car is having a lot of trouble accelerating. I check my oil about 10 minutes ago and I'm on the no oil line. Im thinking the head gasket is blown but my friend is thinking the piston rings. Any idea's/suggestions?
***Notes***
Its a D16y5
Just did an oil change

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7thgear 04-19-2013 12:09 AM

what colour is the smoke?

if it's blue, you've got oil problems (rings)

if it's white, you've got coolant problems (head gasket)

if it's black, you've got combustion problems (spark, fuel, timing, etc)

if you can't tell, then probably all 3 :D

Mo707 04-19-2013 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by 7thgear (Post 876491)
what colour is the smoke?

if it's blue, you've got oil problems (rings)

if it's white, you've got coolant problems (head gasket)

if it's black, you've got combustion problems (spark, fuel, timing, etc)

if you can't tell, then probably all 3 :D

Its like a gray smoke and if I'm hauling a** its a lot of smoke.

7thgear 04-19-2013 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Mo707 (Post 876501)
Its like a gray smoke and if I'm hauling a** its a lot of smoke.

have you checked your sparkplugs?

you can google a chart to help you diagnose what's going on by how the sparkplugs look like

when was the last time the plugs were changed?

Mo707 04-19-2013 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by 7thgear (Post 876515)
have you checked your sparkplugs?

you can google a chart to help you diagnose what's going on by how the sparkplugs look like

when was the last time the plugs were changed?

The spark plugs were the first thing i changed when i got the car. They should be new. Only a month old but ill check again.

7thgear 04-19-2013 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Mo707 (Post 876523)
The spark plugs were the first thing i changed when i got the car. They should be new. Only a month old but ill check again.

use this when you check them

make sure to check all 4

http://www.aa1car.com/library/reading_spark_plugs.jpg

Mo707 04-19-2013 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by 7thgear (Post 876527)
use this when you check them

make sure to check all 4

http://www.aa1car.com/library/reading_spark_plugs.jpg

Thank you!!! Ill check them tomorrow!

UltraFRS 04-19-2013 01:13 AM

Do a compression check and that should give a good idea on the rings and head gasket. With that many miles the smoke could be leaky valve seals as well.

Mo707 04-19-2013 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by UltraFRS (Post 876632)
Do a compression check and that should give a good idea on the rings and head gasket. With that many miles the smoke could be leaky valve seals as well.

I checked the valves when i got the car they were good. Just didnt look at the seals. How do i do a compression check?

Calum 04-19-2013 07:44 AM

All that dark grey smoke would normally indicate incomplete combustion. If you're spark plugs are new, check the fuel pressure and clean the injectors.

A compression test is done by removing all of the spark plugs, screwing a compression tester into each of the spark plug holes in turn, cranking the engine and getting a reading on the gauge. You should be able to look up what the reading should be for your engine.

A leaking valve seal will not show up on a compression test. You'd have to remove the valve cover and inspect them.

A compression test is a good pass/fail type of test, but for comprehensive results you'll want to do a leakdown test. It's very similar, but you need a leakdown tester and you don't crank, just set the pistons to TDC on the compression stroke. The tester flows air into the cylinder and measures how much is leaking. And you can then find where it's leaking. Bubbles in the coolant, you have a dead head gasket. Excessive air coming from the dip stick tube, your rings are gone or you have a dead head gasket. Air heard coming from the throttle body and the intake valves aren't sealing. Same for the exhaust.

Considering this is a Honda, you might want to do some reading over at Honda-Tech.

Mo707 04-19-2013 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Calum (Post 877053)
All that dark grey smoke would normally indicate incomplete combustion. If you're spark plugs are new, check the fuel pressure and clean the injectors.

A compression test is done by removing all of the spark plugs, screwing a compression tester into each of the spark plug holes in turn, cranking the engine and getting a reading on the gauge. You should be able to look up what the reading should be for your engine.

A leaking valve seal will not show up on a compression test. You'd have to remove the valve cover and inspect them.

A compression test is a good pass/fail type of test, but for comprehensive results you'll want to do a leakdown test. It's very similar, but you need a leakdown tester and you don't crank, just set the pistons to TDC on the compression stroke. The tester flows air into the cylinder and measures how much is leaking. And you can then find where it's leaking. Bubbles in the coolant, you have a dead head gasket. Excessive air coming from the dip stick tube, your rings are gone or you have a dead head gasket. Air heard coming from the throttle body and the intake valves aren't sealing. Same for the exhaust.

Considering this is a Honda, you might want to do some reading over at Honda-Tech.

I just put in new fuel injectors when i did the spark plugs. I dont get it. Everything should be good. Where can I find a compression tester?

7thgear 04-19-2013 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Mo707 (Post 877196)
I just put in new fuel injectors when i did the spark plugs. I dont get it. Everything should be good. Where can I find a compression tester?

what about o2 sensors

do you have any Air/Fuel ratio diagnostic tools?

Mo707 04-19-2013 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by 7thgear (Post 877238)
what about o2 sensors

do you have any Air/Fuel ratio diagnostic tools?

No. I do most of my work in my auto class because i dont have much tools at my house but we dont have a diagnostic tool. Do they rent them out at auto zone?

Calum 04-19-2013 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Mo707 (Post 877196)
I just put in new fuel injectors when i did the spark plugs. I dont get it. Everything should be good. Where can I find a compression tester?

Autozone lists them on their website. They're pretty common to be found in most tool stores, take a look.

http://www.autozone.com/autozone/cat...35&isApp=false


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