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Gardus@Supersprint 11-22-2012 07:55 AM

Inconel exhaust? $$$
 
Hi guys, I was wondering if anybody here would be interested in an inconel system...
What about a -20 kg for the full exhaust, included headers?
Price would be around double/triple the current Supersprint price.

JDMenrique 11-22-2012 09:24 AM

Interested, but we'd have to see the final product.

Gardus@Supersprint 11-22-2012 09:32 AM

Inconel headers may be interesting. Lots of companies are launching titanium catback systems, but it's extremely hard to make reliable titanium headers.
A set of headers with the same design as our 304 S.s. ones, included the front decat pipe, would weight something around 5-6 kg, against 17.4 of the stock items (included the two cats), and the 10.2 of the steel Supersprint.
We could use thinner walls thanks to the strenght of the material, and it's also lighter.

I wonder who would spend $ 3000 for a set.

Klar 11-22-2012 12:24 PM

Inconel would only be useful for the header and up/over pipe for a turbo system. Beyond that the weight saving are not that great for the money.

nonicname 11-22-2012 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gardus@Supersprint (Post 570072)

I wonder who would spend $3000 for a set.

rich people and idiots.

chulooz 11-22-2012 03:59 PM

$3,000?! You wish it would cost $3000 for a full inconel system. No, not feasible for production.

There are already people here who scoff at Ti units.

ImAwesome 11-22-2012 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chulooz (Post 570495)
$3,000?! You wish it would cost $3000 for a full inconel system. No, not feasible for production.

There are already people here who scoff at Ti units.

he is referring to just the header

xjohnx 11-22-2012 04:29 PM

Can i get one made out of unobtanium?

Seriously guys, there comes a point of diminishing returns.

dj petey 11-22-2012 04:40 PM

This is why he's gauging interest. No need to flame the guy for doing market research.

Dimman 11-22-2012 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gardus@Supersprint (Post 570072)
Inconel headers may be interesting. Lots of companies are launching titanium catback systems, but it's extremely hard to make reliable titanium headers.
A set of headers with the same design as our 304 S.s. ones, included the front decat pipe, would weight something around 5-6 kg, against 17.4 of the stock items (included the two cats), and the 10.2 of the steel Supersprint.
We could use thinner walls thanks to the strenght of the material, and it's also lighter.

I wonder who would spend $ 3000 for a set.

Inconel is slightly heavier than stainless (625 v 304). Way more nickel in it.

It's the thickness reduction that allows the weight loss.

Gardus@Supersprint 11-23-2012 03:35 AM

Yes, I meant the headers in Inconel would be lighter than the SS one, sorry for the misunderstanding.

Density (2°C) is 8.44 g/cm^3 vs 7.90 g/cm^3 of the Aisi 304 stainless steel we use.
Titanium is around 4,5

@ 500°C:
Tensile strength is 760 MPa vs 483 MPA
Yield point (Rp0,2) is 290 vs 167
Basically you could make a 0.7/1 mm walls headers and still get a very resistant components.

The obvious advantage is resistance to corrosion and oxidation, both compared to SS but much more compared to Ti.

I guess a full system composed of an Inconel front part and a Ti rear part would be the best in terms of lightness and reliability.

robispec 11-23-2012 04:21 AM

we made a 3.1 KG aluminum cat back for our race car and it survived 30 minute sessions quite well... 70 degree farenheit ambiant temps.
Engine out, SS header transision pipe (the header can be used for NA SC or Turbo apps) over pipe and catted section weighed in (with the alu rear) at 9.1 KG complete. engine back.. time will tell on the durability. We are a chassis shop so we made the lightest part possible. The time attack car weights in @ 2505 with the full interior.
you can just see the 2.5" aluminum muffler and tailpipe just peeking out i think
SO I throw in SS to Aluminum into the light weight battle.

rear view
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...s/IMAG0056.jpg

Gardus@Supersprint 11-23-2012 05:52 AM

Aluminium is ok for catbacks if it doesn't need to last many years and loudness isn't much of an issue.
Thinner stainless steel is a bit heavier but still ok.
For road use (fit&forget, no drone etc) I stil would go for 1/1,5 mm s.s..

robispec 11-23-2012 06:29 AM

agreed..we went only for light weight as our primary concern.


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