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REVZILLA 12-10-2022 01:30 PM

FB25 shortblock FA20 heads
 
Has anyone ever successfully installed a FB25 short block on fa20 heads?


Saw some discussion where the starter needs to be moved to other side transmission, fa 20 piston domes have a (bigger?) dish in them for direct injection, and possibly the combustion chamber on the head possibly needed milled.


https://www.ft86club.com/forums/show...t=45926&page=4



Looks to me like the transmission could possibly be milled out to have a left side starter without an adapter plate, and one only one bolt appears it would need left out of bellhousing. But unsure of other issues, thoughts?

PulsarBeeerz 12-10-2022 01:47 PM

Nah, Subi engine families don't lego like Hondas.

REVZILLA 12-10-2022 01:58 PM

Not sure if accurate but I think Jet86 (post#70) on this thread said the heads would bolt on the block

https://www.ft86club.com/forums/show...?t=2158&page=5


Just wanting to know what the exact issue with it was- if it was just not worth the trouble or not possible

NoHaveMSG 12-10-2022 05:23 PM

Not to mention thinner and smaller in diameter rod journals. No thanks.

https://www.ft86club.com/forums/show...3&postcount=66

Ultramaroon 12-11-2022 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG (Post 3559782)
Not to mention thinner and smaller in diameter rod journals. No thanks.

https://www.ft86club.com/forums/show...3&postcount=66

Is there evidence that this change makes it less robust? I see a stiffer crankshaft swinging less mass at the rod ends. The smaller diameter also results in lower speed between bearing and journal but that probably wasn't the main goal. I'm sure the decision to give up some bearing surface for a stiffer crank involved considerable R&D.

NoHaveMSG 12-12-2022 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon (Post 3559859)
Is there evidence that this change makes it less robust? I see a stiffer crankshaft swinging less mass at the rod ends. The smaller diameter also results in lower speed between bearing and journal but that probably wasn't the main goal. I'm sure the decision to give up some bearing surface for a stiffer crank involved considerable R&D.

No, but you know my monkey brain just looks at it and goes "smaller bad."

I know it was discussed in that dudes NA build thread but I don't remember the outcome. I think he went with the FA20 crank and a custom rod/piston. If I get a chance I should reread the thread even though it is like 49 pages and 1/3 of it not even involving the build.

https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63901

Ultramaroon 12-12-2022 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG (Post 3559964)
No, but you know my monkey brain just looks at it and goes "smaller bad."

I know it was discussed in that dudes NA build thread but I don't remember the outcome. I think he went with the FA20 crank and a custom rod/piston. If I get a chance I should reread the thread even though it is like 49 pages and 1/3 of it not even involving the build.

https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63901

Oh, I hear you. I'm sure there was quite a bit of hand-wringing during the whole development cycle. Maybe they trimmed out some capacity for boosting. We'll see as they start popping down the road. :iono:

D K 12-15-2022 04:05 PM

Why???

DarkPira7e 12-15-2022 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by D K (Post 3560493)
Why???

FA20 heads from our engine are ported nicely from factory, I imagine that is the angle here

Ultramaroon 12-15-2022 04:28 PM

-5 missed gif


https://i.giphy.com/media/1M9fmo1WAFVK0/giphy.gif

D K 12-15-2022 05:40 PM

never mind about converting from belt to chain:mad0259:

Seriously, why not swap instead??

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkPira7e (Post 3560495)
FA20 heads from our engine are ported nicely from factory, I imagine that is the angle here


Ultramaroon 12-15-2022 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by D K (Post 3560507)
never mind about converting from belt to chain:mad0259:

Seriously, why not swap instead??

If doable, I might consider it over back-converting all the sensors. Isn't that a thing too?


edit: Wait, no. I'm dumb. Already have to do that. Actually, I can't think of a good reason.

Ultramaroon 12-15-2022 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkPira7e (Post 3560495)
FA20 heads from our engine are ported nicely from factory, I imagine that is the angle here

Are they not for the FB?

DarkPira7e 12-15-2022 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon (Post 3560522)
Are they not for the FB?

I haven't seen an FB. But the FA20DIT heads are far less ported than ours so I can only assume ours were quite generous compared to their normal offering


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