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spiffiestpenguin 01-12-2022 09:49 AM

I know it's been asked but p0018
 
Hi guys, I have a question. My car threw the p0018 code when I was backing out of a parking spot. The car went into limp mode and I've already looked up what's going on and such. And I already have seen the posts here about the timing and sprockets and ECU replacement. My car is a 2013 Scion frs and it is my daily. I really need this car to commute to my job it is a 40 minutes highway drive back and forth. I've read that this can be a pretty costly repair. My question is before I go ahead and tear everything down to check my timing to see if that's what the issue is, are there any faster/cheaper things to test first. It seems pretty prominent that it's the sprocket's and ECU that will need to be replaced just from what I have read but I want to rule out the easier cheaper things before I tear it down. And I'm going to reset the CEL first to see if it comes back. Just curious what the most cost efficient way to go about this is. I have always worked on my own cars but this one I have never had to do anything except check the oil so I am very unfamiliar with these cars other than driving. Thanks for any info

Tcoat 01-12-2022 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by spiffiestpenguin (Post 3496009)
Hi guys, I have a question. My car threw the p0018 code when I was backing out of a parking spot. The car went into limp mode and I've already looked up what's going on and such. And I already have seen the posts here about the timing and sprockets and ECU replacement. My car is a 2013 Scion frs and it is my daily. I really need this car to commute to my job it is a 40 minutes highway drive back and forth. I've read that this can be a pretty costly repair. My question is before I go ahead and tear everything down to check my timing to see if that's what the issue is, are there any faster/cheaper things to test first. It seems pretty prominent that it's the sprocket's and ECU that will need to be replaced just from what I have read but I want to rule out the easier cheaper things before I tear it down. And I'm going to reset the CEL first to see if it comes back. Just curious what the most cost efficient way to go about this is. I have always worked on my own cars but this one I have never had to do anything except check the oil so I am very unfamiliar with these cars other than driving. Thanks for any info

It is "possible" that it is as "simple" as the sensor being out of position.
Repair procedure for that is here http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attac...1&d=1378232133

Beyond that you are getting into bigger problems.

spiffiestpenguin 01-12-2022 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 3496018)
It is "possible" that it is as "simple" as the sensor being out of position.
Repair procedure for that is here http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attac...1&d=1378232133

Beyond that you are getting into bigger problems.

Thank you...that's what I thought but I figured I would ask before I get too deep into this. I will try that today and see what I come up with. Thank you for the reply

Tcoat 01-12-2022 10:37 AM

Here are the service manuals if you have to dive deeper.

https://gt86stuff.onrender.com/t3Portal/

Ultramaroon 01-12-2022 03:09 PM

I would start by removing the AVCS solenoid and working the valve with a screwdriver to see if it's jammed. Don't drive it like that. Hopefully, the learned value in that init table hasn't yet swung too far out of whack.

7 skulls 01-12-2022 06:13 PM

Had this code show up with a low battery/loose negative connection.

humfrz 01-12-2022 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by spiffiestpenguin (Post 3496009)
Hi guys, I have a question. My car threw the p0018 code when I was backing out of a parking spot. The car went into limp mode and I've already looked up what's going on and such. And I already have seen the posts here about the timing and sprockets and ECU replacement. My car is a 2013 Scion frs and it is my daily. I really need this car to commute to my job it is a 40 minutes highway drive back and forth. I've read that this can be a pretty costly repair. My question is before I go ahead and tear everything down to check my timing to see if that's what the issue is, are there any faster/cheaper things to test first. It seems pretty prominent that it's the sprocket's and ECU that will need to be replaced just from what I have read but I want to rule out the easier cheaper things before I tear it down. And I'm going to reset the CEL first to see if it comes back. Just curious what the most cost efficient way to go about this is. I have always worked on my own cars but this one I have never had to do anything except check the oil so I am very unfamiliar with these cars other than driving. Thanks for any info

Bubba says a code reader can make the code go away (maybe not stay away). Also, he suggests you unplug it and then plug it back in and let it reboot - oh, wait, that's what he does with his computer, running windows 3.1. Remove the negative battery wire, count to 47, then put it back in. Maybe your system just hiccupped - :iono:

Ultramaroon 01-12-2022 07:11 PM

I wouldn't fuck around with it. The fewer starts with a jammed valve, the better. Once that learned initial value table is thrown too far out of whack, it's "Adios, ECU."

NoHaveMSG 01-12-2022 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Ultramaroon (Post 3496205)
I wouldn't fuck around with it. The fewer starts with a jammed valve, the better. Once that learned initial value table is thrown too far out of whack, it's "Adios, ECU."

THIS ^^^^^

Once those learned values are in there you are screwed and the ECU needs replaced.

blsfrs 01-13-2022 10:09 AM

Is there any datalog values that can be looked at to confirm that the valve is jammed vs a sensor problem?

NoHaveMSG 01-13-2022 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by blsfrs (Post 3496340)
Is there any datalog values that can be looked at to confirm that the valve is jammed vs a sensor problem?


Yeah, you should be able to monitor cam position.

Ultramaroon 01-13-2022 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by blsfrs (Post 3496340)
Is there any datalog values that can be looked at to confirm that the valve is jammed vs a sensor problem?

Yes. The current and duty cycle of that solenoid will be abnormally high as the system tries in vain to push the valve. Those values can be monitored in real time with techstream and with OBDLink software. Techstream can be used to test the servos by manually slewing the valve timing out of whack in both directions.


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