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gpvecchi 01-01-2021 10:26 AM

ARB shape
 
I just discovered that the 86 GRMN uses a 15 mm rear ARB like facelifted models, but with different shape.
Is there some expert that can explain what would change?
https://i.ibb.co/Jmr2Dr7/51z96-TBTb-ML-AC-SL1500.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/DtZPzNj/86stabilizerbar.jpg

DarkPira7e 01-01-2021 10:47 AM

The bar may have the shape to give access to the bolts on the rear diff mount

JD001 01-01-2021 11:14 AM

Cost cutting, less kinks = less material.

norcalpb 01-01-2021 03:22 PM

I wonder if having the "bend" closer to the bushings causes the bar to have a lower spring rate? Maybe more? Good find though.

I'm curious to see if the rear endlinks are different because look at the intense angles of the bar ends compared to stock. Makes me almost think theres like a 1" GR endlink or something.

SCFD 01-01-2021 08:29 PM

This is interesting as I can't think of another example where different ARB geometries are used on the same vehicle.

I'm not sure why they would change the geometry but the change may result in a different spring rate.

gpvecchi 01-02-2021 03:37 AM

To clarify, the GRMN is the black one, the yellow is a JDM TRD, same shape of the OEM.
Endlinks are different, too. It's my opinion that the spring rate changes, too, but I think there is something else, or a different diameter will be sufficient.
My two cents: shorter lever, stiffer spring.

marco_mc22 01-02-2021 03:51 AM

Maybe some clearance issues with a different differential or bracing? Always good find from you though

NLSP 01-02-2021 06:36 AM

Might be for clearance around what appears to be a subframe brace:
https://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/cr...n-6_800x0w.jpg

churchx 01-02-2021 08:34 AM

Somehow exhaust headers in this pic reminded me of facehuggers from "Alien" :)

gpvecchi 01-02-2021 09:01 AM

Nope, I have all the GRMN bracing, no interference.
Differential has the same housing, just 4.3 ratio and different TBR.

NoHaveMSG 01-02-2021 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gpvecchi (Post 3397123)
To clarify, the GRMN is the black one, the yellow is a JDM TRD, same shape of the OEM.
Endlinks are different, too. It's my opinion that the spring rate changes, too, but I think there is something else, or a different diameter will be sufficient.
My two cents: shorter lever, stiffer spring.

The rate of a spring is a pretty simple formula. It essentially comes down to the tensile strength of the material X material thickness and then factored by it's length. If the goal was to just decrease the spring rate it would be simpler to go to a smaller diameter. I wonder if they were having an issue with breakage and had to go to gentler bends.

churchx 01-02-2021 01:50 PM

But if bar is longer due extra bends, even of same material & thickness it should be easier to bend, no? Though in this case clearance of bracing sounds right reasoning.

NoHaveMSG 01-02-2021 02:03 PM

ARB shape
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by churchx (Post 3397172)
But if bar is longer due extra bends, even of same material & thickness it should be easier to bend, no? Though in this case clearance of bracing sounds right reasoning.



Correct, but if the goal is to make it easier to bend(reduce spring rate) then why not just make it smaller? I think the issue is durability. Either the thickness of the bar doesn't like that bend, or a smaller bar is not durable enough so they went to a larger one and added more lever to it.



I don't think clearance is an issue. The bar is not really in the way of anything.

Here is the subframe with everything mounted out of the car. Not a great pic but there is no clearance issue that I have noticed.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...f8f72cff4a.jpg

marco_mc22 01-02-2021 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gpvecchi (Post 3397123)
To clarify, the GRMN is the black one, the yellow is a JDM TRD, same shape of the OEM.
Endlinks are different, too. It's my opinion that the spring rate changes, too, but I think there is something else, or a different diameter will be sufficient.
My two cents: shorter lever, stiffer spring.

Maybe a bit stiffer with less weight instead of a larger one?


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