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2Wavy 05-24-2019 04:45 PM

What's actually holding the suspension together when you use an OEM crash bolt?
 
So i had crash bolts installed during my coilover install. I was wondering, what exactly is holding together the strut to the wheel bearing piece? If the hole in both the strut and the wheel bearing is 16mm, but the crash bolt is 14mm, what is holding the two in place? I get the clamping force is holding the bolt to the strut, but how is the strut being held to the wheel bearing piece if the bolt is smaller than both holes?

JD001 05-24-2019 04:57 PM

Magic.

jamal 05-24-2019 05:04 PM

The friction from the clamping force. That's how any bolted connection actually works. Even with the 16mm bolt in 16mm hole, try loosening them both and wiggling things around- there's a good amount of play there.

Mr.ac 05-24-2019 05:36 PM

Dude.....that's some good shit your smoking.
But seriously dude, pass that stuff over this way.

strat61caster 05-24-2019 05:49 PM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolted_joint

maslin 05-24-2019 06:31 PM

Magnets?

Spuds 05-24-2019 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jamal (Post 3221029)
The friction from the clamping force. That's how any bolted connection actually works. Even with the 16mm bolt in 16mm hole, try loosening them both and wiggling things around- there's a good amount of play there.

Just don't suggest that's how wheels stay on the car. All hell will break loose.

2Wavy 05-24-2019 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jamal (Post 3221029)
The friction from the clamping force. That's how any bolted connection actually works. Even with the 16mm bolt in 16mm hole, try loosening them both and wiggling things around- there's a good amount of play there.

So the two flanges of the strut are basically squeezing together the spindle and the friction keeps them in place? That makes more sense to me. So really the diameter of the bolt doesn't matter as long as it's thick enough that the bolt doesn't stretch right?

Mr.ac 05-24-2019 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2Wavy (Post 3221064)
So the two flanges of the strut are basically squeezing together the spindle and the friction keeps them in place? That makes more sense to me. So really the diameter of the bolt doesn't matter as long as it's thick enough that the bolt doesn't stretch right?

Why are you seeking logical answers?
Your high as fuck now.

jamal 05-24-2019 07:43 PM

Bolts stretch when you tighten them. The important thing is having enough clamping force before the bolt starts to permanently deform or breaks (although some fasteners are designed to yield permanently at torque spec).

The OEM "16 mm" bolts are still M14 bolts, just with an enlarged shank. The threaded section is the same size and so are the torque spec and resultant clamping force. The larger bolt will stretch slightly less.

Capt Spaulding 05-24-2019 08:35 PM

Yep, bolts are actually springs. When you torque them down they stretch, preloading the spring/joint.

2Wavy 05-25-2019 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jamal (Post 3221084)
Bolts stretch when you tighten them. The important thing is having enough clamping force before the bolt starts to permanently deform or breaks (although some fasteners are designed to yield permanently at torque spec).

The OEM "16 mm" bolts are still M14 bolts, just with an enlarged shank. The threaded section is the same size and so are the torque spec and resultant clamping force. The larger bolt will stretch slightly less.

Oh yeah true, I guess bolts wouldn't work as fasteners if they didn't have an elastic deformation range and the axial deformation is where the clamping force comes from.

EAGLE5 05-25-2019 02:06 PM

Bolt use magic.

86MLR 05-25-2019 09:54 PM

Red Loctite










Disclaimer: Don't use red Loctite


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