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Kojiap1 05-27-2018 10:49 AM

Fender brace install help
 
It seemed pretty simple, however the 3rd point has me stuck. I can’t seem to find a solution to bolt the 3rd point down, everything is covered. Any ideas?
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Mr.ac 05-27-2018 08:10 PM

Drill a hole for it.
Also, don't know how to say this but... fender braces are a scam.

Setgo 05-18-2020 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Kojiap1 (Post 3092003)
It seemed pretty simple, however the 3rd point has me stuck. I can’t seem to find a solution to bolt the 3rd point down, everything is covered. Any ideas?
Mhttp://rs3.pbsrc.com/albums/y56/koji...h=480&fit=clip

You have it installed incorrectly, that one is for the passenger side.

evomike 05-18-2020 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.ac (Post 3092116)
Drill a hole for it.
Also, don't know how to say this but... fender braces are a scam.

On a unibody car they absolutely stiffen the chassis and do exactly what they are designed to do.

Mr.ac 05-19-2020 02:18 AM

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Originally Posted by evomike (Post 3332555)
On a unibody car they absolutely stiffen the chassis and do exactly what they are designed to do.

There has never been any proof/testing on said products.
The only claims comes from the company that sells them.
Use your own logic and look, what exactly is it bracing?

evomike 05-19-2020 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr.ac (Post 3332588)
There has never been any proof/testing on said products.
The only claims comes from the company that sells them.
Use your own logic and look, what exactly is it bracing?

it is bracing the front upper rail to the A-pillar, it makes complete sense that it works and what it does.

pope 05-19-2020 11:21 AM

I'm new to this platform and I am unfamiliar with the specific flex areas of the ft86 chassis, but that brace appears parrot existing structure without introducing any new triangulation and relies on a couple small bolts on one surface. Without plating the inner and outer surfaces, sleeving the bolts to avoid crushing the structure, and through-bolting the brace to the structure, I do not see how that brace can offer more than placebo levels of reinforcement.

In the Fox Mustang community it was common to fully seam weld the chassis and add plates in key strategic areas to increase stiffness. If I wanted to stiffen the upper rail/a-pillar that's how I'd start. (Fox Mustangs are wet noodles compared to these cars, so... yeah).

RayRay88 05-19-2020 11:24 AM

These helped on vehicles from 90's and earlier. Where you could visibly see the deflection in the front shock towers and stampings. They're pretty useless on modern cars. You can categorize them with strut bars.

PulsarBeeerz 05-19-2020 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by RayRay88 (Post 3332690)
These helped on vehicles from 90's and earlier. Where you could visibly see the deflection in the front shock towers and stampings. They're pretty useless on modern cars. You can categorize them with strut bars.

Don't strut tower braces come stock a lot of modern sportier cars though?

RayRay88 05-19-2020 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by PulsarBeeerz (Post 3332815)
Don't strut tower braces come stock a lot of modern sportier cars though?

It's a mixed bag. You'll see a lot more triangulation linking shock towers to firewalls. There is a NVH penalty for a strut tower. If a manufacture deems it necessary to control deflection it will but you'll see these mostly in hotted up econo-platforms that don't necessarily have the rigidity from the get go.

TBH, sometimes it's just a ricey dressing like faux carbon, diffuser garnishes, fake exhaust tips and fake vents.

Mr.ac 05-19-2020 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by evomike (Post 3332659)
it is bracing the front upper rail to the A-pillar, it makes complete sense that it works and what it does.

:lol::lol:

Guess google could not find anything to back up your claims. Because it's a scam.

evomike 05-19-2020 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.ac (Post 3332865)
:lol::lol:

Guess google could not find anything to back up your claims. Because it's a scam.

Whatever you wanna think my man, makes no difference to me

Ernest72 05-21-2020 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.ac (Post 3332865)
:lol::lol:

Guess google could not find anything to back up your claims. Because it's a scam.

Not scientific, but when I put them on my 04 WRX you could feel them when pushing the car. I have a few turns near my house that I can push the car before and after installs. Now could be butt dyno, but I am very skeptical of things as well. I would say they might not be worth it for DD, but I think every little bit helps. Plus an 04 WRX chassis is not as stiff as a BRZ. Money vs benefit is always a subjective thing.


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