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Greenbean 03-12-2018 08:18 PM

Coilovers and LCA's
 
Im sure this is answered someone but if someone can give me an answer I will appreciate it. I ordered some fortune auto 500 coilovers and I was wondering do i HAVE to get toe arms and LCA's or will the camber and toe be relatively the same after installation. I will be getting an alignment after i receive them and install. I think im going to do around a 1 inch drop or maybe a 1.5. Please help thanks.

churchx 03-12-2018 08:53 PM

Lowering car will increase negative camber. To not fsck up geometry and not rise need to buy many more parts to workaround/fix, suggesting to keep lowering within 1".

NoHaveMSG 03-12-2018 08:54 PM

At that much drop you will end up with a little over -2 degrees in the rear. If that is acceptable to you then you should be okay. I bought toe arms and LCAs and set my toe arms to the same length as my factory ones and it was close in the rear so it may have been okay without them. I am a little over 1.5 inches of drop.

Greenbean 03-12-2018 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG (Post 3057350)
At that much drop you will end up with a little over -2 degrees in the rear. If that is acceptable to you then you should be okay. I bought toe arms and LCAs and set my toe arms to the same length as my factory ones and it was close in the rear so it may have been okay without them. I am a little over 1.5 inches of drop.

Ill install my coilovers and get the alignment bc it will not be off so bad to the point of hurting DD but if it is does NEED adjusting I will buy toe arms and LCA.

Lust 03-12-2018 10:47 PM

If you have the money for the LCA and toe arms I say get them. You'll be able to get the camber and toe dialed in exactly how you want vs. whatever natural camber you get from lowering. If you want to just DD with a 1" drop, LCAs and toe arms are not needed.

JustSomeGuy 03-13-2018 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG (Post 3057350)
At that much drop you will end up with a little over -2 degrees in the rear. If that is acceptable to you then you should be okay. I bought toe arms and LCAs and set my toe arms to the same length as my factory ones and it was close in the rear so it may have been okay without them. I am a little over 1.5 inches of drop.

got any pics? im leaning towards the same setup as you

but my opinion (and what i may do) is lowering it then seeing how awful/good it really is before deciding if i should get the extra components..unless you just have the money to get it all at once then do that lol

NoHaveMSG 03-13-2018 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by JustSomeGuy (Post 3057591)
got any pics? im leaning towards the same setup as you

but my opinion (and what i may do) is lowering it then seeing how awful/good it really is before deciding if i should get the extra components..unless you just have the money to get it all at once then do that lol

https://photos.app.goo.gl/9laqPsBma9D3WMM53

markitect 03-13-2018 02:01 PM

I'm running fortune auto 500 coilovers, with spc rear LCA, dropped 3/4 in. Everything aligned how I wanted no problem, without using the special TOE bushings. There is also spare room both directions on the camber adjustment in the front. But the drop height is the relevant factor here, so look for others with the height drop you want.

NoHaveMSG 03-13-2018 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by markitect (Post 3057651)
I'm running fortune auto 500 coilovers, with spc rear LCA, dropped 3/4 in. Everything aligned how I wanted no problem, without using the special TOE bushings. There is also spare room both directions on the camber adjustment in the front. But the drop height is the relevant factor here, so look for others with the height drop you want.

Height and camber make a difference. The toe arm mounts to the top of the rear hub/spindle assembly, so rocking the spindle in or out(camber) will change toe. If you go with a ton of drop with camber correction you can run out of adjustment on the factory toe arms. On the front the tie rods mount low on the spindle so the effect is not as great, but is still there.

The only reason I bothered to run LCAs and toe arms is I track my car and wanted to make sure I could dial it in exactly as I wanted.

strat61caster 03-13-2018 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG (Post 3057739)
Height and camber make a difference. The toe arm mounts to the top of the rear hub/spindle assembly, so rocking the spindle in or out(camber) will change toe. If you go with a ton of drop with camber correction you can run out of adjustment on the factory toe arms. On the front the tie rods mount low on the spindle so the effect is not as great, but is still there.

As long as you're not going hellaflush the factory toe adjustment is perfectly fine.

Greenbean 03-14-2018 05:13 PM

LCA's and Toe arms
 
What LCA's are the best bang for my buck. Money isnt a huge problem but dont wanna buy something overly expensive. I know SPC has a LCA and toe arm kit for 220 but heard mixed opinions on quality as this car is a weekend warrior and might see a track once maybe twice a year where is my best bet?

8RZ 03-14-2018 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Greenbean (Post 3058289)
What LCA's are the best bang for my buck. Money isnt a huge problem but dont wanna buy something overly expensive. I know SPC has a LCA and toe arm kit for 220 but heard mixed opinions on quality as this car is a weekend warrior and might see a track once maybe twice a year where is my best bet?

SPC is fine.

norcalpb 03-14-2018 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Greenbean (Post 3058289)
What LCA's are the best bang for my buck. Money isnt a huge problem but dont wanna buy something overly expensive. I know SPC has a LCA and toe arm kit for 220 but heard mixed opinions on quality as this car is a weekend warrior and might see a track once maybe twice a year where is my best bet?

The expensive LCAs use a pillow ball bushing where they connect to the frame, but are typically much harder to adjust (more expensive alignment at least at my shop).

Can’t go wrong with the SPC, but I like the white lines which are actually the same thing but silver and use a poly bushing instead of SPCs fake pillow ball bushing.

Whitelines for $198 shipped
https://m.ebay.com/itm/Whiteline-Adj...IAAOSwB09YJQ5G

Forget the toe kit, the 86 lateral links have tons of adjustment.

fika84 03-14-2018 05:50 PM

I've used SPC's on track occasions as well with no issues.


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