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stlgrym3 03-06-2018 04:54 AM

ways to up the engine output without going FI
 
i'm looking for modest power gain, like about <10 hp and lb-ft gain. so far i have Greddy SP catback exhaust and TRD air filter. what else i can get to get more power out of our car without going FI?

Boomerang 03-06-2018 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by stlgrym3 (Post 3053992)
i'm looking for modest power gain, like about <10 hp and lb-ft gain. so far i have Greddy SP catback exhaust and TRD air filter. what else i can get to get more power out of our car without going FI?


EL or UEL exhaust manifold and tune

E85 good for even more HP and torque

Lots of info on this site

churchx 03-06-2018 05:13 AM

Also lowering weight. For just <10hp to your already upgraded airfilter i'd add whichever ecu tuning, OFT or Ecutek. And maybe E85.
If want more, then go for aftermarket header, cat deletes and such, +tune for them of course.

guybo 03-06-2018 05:30 AM

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=81493

read this. All of it

Tcoat 03-06-2018 09:25 AM

Tune. Even at stock setup a tune is your best bang for the buck. Also gives you the ability to change as you add parts. The stock tune is intended to meet emission and mileage requirements. This can only happen by sacrificing performance.

bfrank1972 03-06-2018 09:43 AM

As others have said, main ingredients are a proven/quality long tube header + good tune. After that I'd say manifold spacers (Crawford blocks, need to tune for these), and then maybe 4.56 final drive. If E85 is readily available, add that to the mix. Everything else (intake, OP, FP, exhaust) will provide marginal gains (but dramatically increased volumes).

churchx 03-06-2018 10:17 AM

imho many have overlooked "for modest power gain, like about <10 hp and lb-ft gain" bit. At no point there was question of max NA gains with bolt-on mods. And seeing modest wish i somewhat guess that non-mentioned budget might be low.

Tcoat 03-06-2018 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by churchx (Post 3054062)
imho many have overlooked "for modest power gain, like about <10 hp and lb-ft gain" bit. At no point there was question of max NA gains with bolt-on mods. And seeing modest wish i somewhat guess that non-mentioned budget might be low.

I didn't miss it. Start with a tune and build as budget and desire increases. So many want to start bolting parts onto the car in the belief they are gaining power but then leave the tune right out of the equation. You can have all the air you want flowing in and back out but if running a stock tune you can not take advantage of any of it since the car can only adjust within the design parameters.

Spuds 03-06-2018 12:11 PM

Also, if you start with an unlocked ots tune, I can assure you it will give you hours of entertainment working on getting it running just the way you like it, with no further monetary input.

bfrank1972 03-06-2018 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 3054068)
I didn't miss it. Start with a tune and build as budget and desire increases. So many want to start bolting parts onto the car in the belief they are gaining power but then leave the tune right out of the equation. You can have all the air you want flowing in and back out but if running a stock tune you can not take advantage of any of it since the car can only adjust within the design parameters.

True - but caveat - if you're eventually going to go the 'ideal' route (which I haven't done yet lol), you're going to want custom tunes instead of off-the-shelf tunes. In that case, you're going to pay every time you make a significant change - might be better off doing the header+tune together first.

Also keep in mind, what you spend can vary a lot. Buy used if on a budget:
Good quality used header: $450
OFT: $400

That right there, using canned tunes, will get you pretty darned far.

Tcoat 03-06-2018 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by bfrank1972 (Post 3054123)
True - but caveat - if you're eventually going to go the 'ideal' route (which I haven't done yet lol), you're going to want custom tunes instead of off-the-shelf tunes. In that case, you're going to pay every time you make a significant change - might be better off doing the header+tune together first.

Also keep in mind, what you spend can vary a lot. Buy used if on a budget:
Good quality used header: $450
OFT: $400

That right there, using canned tunes, will get you pretty darned far.

There are hundreds of possible variations on the theme but if only looking for a few HP bump a good jumping off point is a canned tune. If buying one of the more advanced tuning options then they can build custom ones right on it. Anybody asking this basic a question is probably not ready to go into custom tunes just yet anyway.

finch1750 03-06-2018 01:03 PM

Stickers

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Grady 03-06-2018 01:25 PM

Oh ya those vents you put on your front fenders. Those are good for about 3hp each.

But seriously start with a tune. That will be the building block for any mods later on so it will not be a waste of money.

nikitopo 03-06-2018 01:51 PM

As others said, start with a canned tune.


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