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Nickel 07-11-2016 06:56 PM

Timing chain service
 
I'm looking through the manual, and I'm wondering what's the mileage that requires replacing the timing chain and doing all that mess? Someone I know thinks it is 100K but I want to know details. Thanks.

Apoc 07-11-2016 07:08 PM

Timing chain service
 
There isn't a scheduled service for the timing chain. They should last the life of the motor.

ChuckD 07-11-2016 07:10 PM

Like Apoc said there typically are no service times for timing chain. Timing belts are a different matter though. They typically get serviced like every 60 to 100k miles depending on engine and manufacturer.

mav1178 07-11-2016 07:21 PM

The service interval is never, unless you somehow stretch the chain.

OkieSnuffBox 07-12-2016 09:31 AM

A rod will say peekaboo before you need to replace the timing chain.

radroach 07-12-2016 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mav1178 (Post 2702317)
The service interval is never, unless you somehow stretch the chain.

I've read about Fords and Audis that needed timing chain work. Guessing the timing chain stretching is more of an issue for engines that handle higher loads? Or is it just materials quality?

OkieSnuffBox 07-12-2016 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by radroach (Post 2702778)
I've read about Fords and Audis that needed timing chain work. Guessing the timing chain stretching is more of an issue for engines that handle higher loads? Or is it just materials quality?

Design specifications.

Shinigami301 07-12-2016 12:17 PM

Some vehicles have issues with chain tensioners, but rarely with the actual chains.

I remember a service manager at a Toyota dealer trying to convince me to have my belts replaced in my Celica GTS.

I asked him, "Belts in the 2ZZGE engine?" He said "Yes, those have a 60,000 mile replacement interval".

Got a deer in the headlights look when I took the keys back and informed him that I didn't appreciate being sold belt service for a vehicle with timing chains.

I left and never went back to that service department.

mav1178 07-12-2016 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by radroach (Post 2702778)
I've read about Fords and Audis that needed timing chain work. Guessing the timing chain stretching is more of an issue for engines that handle higher loads? Or is it just materials quality?

Quote:

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox (Post 2702791)
Design specifications.

A little bit of both.

Chains stretch over time with normal use, as is the case with most metals that see lateral loads. It's kind of dumb to overhaul a high mileage engine and not do timing chain while you are at it.

There's some obscure info about design specs, but generally you will want to replace timing chain if it's stretched to the point where camshaft timing is off by an amount that cannot be corrected by the cam gears.

In general, timing chain systems usually have the chain tensioner replaced first before the chain is serviced.

Source: many many years of KA/SR experience.

-alex

Ultramaroon 07-12-2016 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by mav1178 (Post 2702885)
A little bit of both.

I had this conversation with a friend recently. Not stretch, but wear. (I know, BFD)

I'm just putting this out there for all interested. Worn chains wear sprockets. Worn sprockets wear chains. Always replace them as a complete set.

Another way to identify wear is by wrapping the chain around the cam sprocket. Then try to lift the chain away from the sprocket while it's on there. If there's any give, it's worn. A new chain and sprocket will match up perfectly.

mav1178 07-12-2016 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by tCsonfrs (Post 2703294)
That car still had belt(s) for accessories, good job on looking like as ass.

http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=325398

Shinigami301 07-13-2016 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tCsonfrs (Post 2703294)
That car still had belt(s) for accessories, good job on looking like as ass.

He was referring to timing belts. Specifically.

Your insult is misguided and most unwelcome.

strat61caster 07-13-2016 12:40 PM

Went and replaced the timing chain in my KA24DE with 200k miles of beating over ~23 years. It was totally unnecessary and I made a few mistakes doing the job which means I wish I hadn't even bothered, the problem I was trying to resolve had a simpler solution.

Kimsey47 07-13-2016 12:40 PM

Someone assumed... I LOL'd


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