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Dream20b 01-18-2016 08:10 PM

FA20 with V161 trans
 
Okay, So i'm going to be building a high 10 or low 11 second Turbo FRS with a closed deck Fa20. After talking with many people, I'm lead to the conclusion that it will be much more reliable to swap a V161 in than try to build an AZ6 to hold 450 RWTQ. Does anyone make a suitable, quality kit for this?

Sideways&Smiling 01-18-2016 09:06 PM

T56 Super Magnum seems to be the best production transmission available for a reasonable amount of money from what I can tell. I've been waiting on someone to come up with a solution for one for the S2000 and 240sx (with SR, not LSx) for a while now. The Getrag V160/161 Supra 6 speed is too expensive and heavy, and although really strong, not bulletproof... The Magnum/Super Magnum is used in the Viper ACR, among others, and is actually supposed to have a really nice shift feel despite being built to hold 700 ft-lb of torque. I want one.

Packofcrows 01-18-2016 11:33 PM

what does close deck do?/mean? Better compression?

Whats the benefit?


http://www.grindstonemotorsports.com...lockdesign.jpg

edit: amateur thinking: Better cooling? FA20 does put out a lot of heat, no?

lukey86 01-19-2016 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Packofcrows (Post 2513847)
what does close deck do?/mean? Better compression?

Whats the benefit?


http://www.grindstonemotorsports.com...lockdesign.jpg

edit: amateur thinking: Better cooling? FA20 does put out a lot of heat, no?

Pictures are kinda self explanatory. Open deck has better cooling/flow however there is a huge trade-off in strength. Without proper re-sleeving an open deck engine is easily compromised in high horsepower applications, whereas closed deck is superior due to having more meat, slightly less flow means slightly worse cooling powers but theres always a way to cool the engine more efficiently. Theres is no substitute for block strength though.

spitfire481 01-19-2016 03:02 PM

i have an fa20 to tremec tko custom bellhousing for my car. take a look at my build and you should be able to get a decent idea on what to do for a bellhousing. a magnum xl should put the shifter very close to the stock location fyi

wise345 01-19-2016 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sideways&Smiling (Post 2513710)
T56 Super Magnum seems to be the best production transmission available for a reasonable amount of money from what I can tell. I've been waiting on someone to come up with a solution for one for the S2000 and 240sx (with SR, not LSx) for a while now. The Getrag V160/161 Supra 6 speed is too expensive and heavy, and although really strong, not bulletproof... The Magnum/Super Magnum is used in the Viper ACR, among others, and is actually supposed to have a really nice shift feel despite being built to hold 700 ft-lb of torque. I want one.

The supra 6 speed would be bulletproof with that power I run over 1000 through mine and it's done great I've seen people not blow them until 1400hp...

T56 would be far more cost effective if they make a good kit to adapt it to the FA20. If they go go with the T56

brianhj 01-19-2016 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wise345 (Post 2514548)
The supra 6 speed would be bulletproof with that power I run over 1000 through mine and it's done great I've seen people not blow them until 1400hp...

I think it has more to do with how much torque it can handle, as opposed to horsepower, no?

pushrod 01-19-2016 08:07 PM

Most T56s are probably going to have lousy gear ratios for a high-revving inline 4 in a drag application.

Dream20b 01-19-2016 08:57 PM

Gearing ratios can always be changed. However, the idea is to have room for "improvement" down the road.

Sideways&Smiling 01-20-2016 01:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spitfire481 (Post 2514534)
i have an fa20 to tremec tko custom bellhousing for my car. take a look at my build and you should be able to get a decent idea on what to do for a bellhousing. a magnum xl should put the shifter very close to the stock location fyi

Who made it and how much did it cost?

FRS Justin 01-21-2016 07:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dream20b (Post 2513645)
Okay, So i'm going to be building a high 10 or low 11 second Turbo FRS with a closed deck Fa20. After talking with many people, I'm lead to the conclusion that it will be much more cost effective to swap a T56 in than try to build an AZ6 to hold 450 RWTQ. Does anyone make a suitable, quality kit for this?

Where you getting the closed deck at??

Dream20b 01-21-2016 09:04 AM

Heavily leaning on Outfront Motorsports. Editing op to reflect current list of items, T56 not an option. Will be going V161 instead. Better Gearing.

Summerwolf 01-21-2016 10:28 AM

They make a million different ratios for the T56 you know.


Availability and cost alone would make me go to the T56, let alone any other benefit.


You did a pretty good run up from a non intercooled sprintex car, to a full build all of a sudden. Did you win the lottery? If you are dead serious about this there is a lot of research to do before posting a new idea every day in one forum thread.



There are many topics on the supra forums about T56 swaps, might check out some of those.....

Dream20b 01-21-2016 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Summerwolf (Post 2516886)
They make a million different ratios for the T56 you know.


Availability and cost alone would make me go to the T56, let alone any other benefit.


You did a pretty good run up from a non intercooled sprintex car, to a full build all of a sudden. Did you win the lottery? If you are dead serious about this there is a lot of research to do before posting a new idea every day in one forum thread.



There are many topics on the supra forums about T56 swaps, might check out some of those.....

Well, I was tired of being slow. and its going to be a gradual thing.


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