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Brzerker 11-25-2022 02:06 AM

High pitched noise when cold starting
 
Hi all,

Recently I've noticed a high pitched noise coming from the AC compressor area during cold starts. I'm not sure if it's coming from the high pressure fuel pump or the AC compressor.

Video of sound during cold start
https://streamable.com/e/j8ayq8

Hopefully someone here has an idea what could be the cause.

Thanks!!!!

Ultramaroon 11-25-2022 02:21 AM

It's the belt slipping over your alternator pulley. Get a fresh accessory belt or clean all the tiny pieces of sand stuck in the grooves of your current one.

Brzerker 11-25-2022 04:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Ultramaroon (Post 3557943)
It's the belt slipping over your alternator pulley. Get a fresh accessory belt or clean all the tiny pieces of sand stuck in the grooves of your current one.

Thanks! Will take a look at the belt. Weird thing is the sound goes away when the car warms up.

blsfrs 11-25-2022 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Brzerker (Post 3557946)
Thanks! Will take a look at the belt. Weird thing is the sound goes away when the car warms up.

While the belt is off, spin the idler pulleys and check them for free play. A new belt might be a good idea. A belt conditioner product might help the old belt. Sand in your groove can definitely be a problem.

Tcoat 11-25-2022 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Brzerker (Post 3557946)
Thanks! Will take a look at the belt. Weird thing is the sound goes away when the car warms up.

As the belt warms up it becomes "softer" and seats better in the pully which makes the noise go away.

Ultramaroon 11-25-2022 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Brzerker (Post 3557946)
Thanks! Will take a look at the belt. Weird thing is the sound goes away when the car warms up.

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 3557961)
As the belt warms up it becomes "softer" and seats better in the pully which makes the noise go away.

The sound goes away when the alternator is finished doing most of its work. First the battery dumps a bunch of energy into the starter, then the alternator works hard to dump all that energy back into the battery.

Crank on the headlights, step on the brakes for those lights, and set the cabin blower to high. Does the belt squeak over the alternator pulley then?

Belt dressing is evil. It just ruins the belt.

For some reason on this car, sand does settle into the belt grooves. I'm still on the original and I've cleaned it twice by carefully picking out the grains with a needle.

RToyo86 11-25-2022 03:10 PM

I've got 115,000km on the OEM belt. I'm used to changing these more often on other cars. :Lol:

Tcoat 11-25-2022 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Ultramaroon (Post 3557988)
The sound goes away when the alternator is finished doing most of its work. First the battery dumps a bunch of energy into the starter, then the alternator works hard to dump all that energy back into the battery.

Crank on the headlights, step on the brakes for those lights, and set the cabin blower to high. Does the belt squeak over the alternator pulley then?

Belt dressing is evil. It just ruins the belt.

For some reason on this car, sand does settle into the belt grooves. I'm still on the original and I've cleaned it twice by carefully picking out the grains with a needle.

A cold belt will always squeal where a warm one won’t regardless of load.

Ultramaroon 11-25-2022 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 3557993)
A cold belt will always squeal where a warm one won’t regardless of load.

I agree that cold temperature exacerbates the issue. It is not the main reason the belt slips over an alternator pulley immediately after startup.

Another way to test but might cause a MIL. While it's squealing, disconnect the regulator connector. Won't hurt anything. Alternator immediately becomes an idler pulley.

humfrz 11-26-2022 06:15 PM

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Belt dressing is evil. It just ruins the belt.

Says you. But, back in the day, it was very important. As a kid, that was part of my job. Yep, then I would lay grasshoppers on the belt and see if they would jump off before they would reach a pully - :happyanim:

humfrz 11-26-2022 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Ultramaroon (Post 3557988)
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Belt dressing is evil. It just ruins the belt.

Says you. But, back in the day, it was very important. As a kid, that was part of my job. Yep, then I would lay grasshoppers on the belt and see if they would jump off before they would reach a pulley - :happyanim:

Ultramaroon 11-26-2022 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by humfrz (Post 3558067)
Says you. But, back in the day, it was very important. As a kid, that was part of my job. Yep, then I would lay grasshoppers on the belt and see if they would jump off before they would reach a pulley - :happyanim:

I had no idea that grasshoppers make a good belt dressing.

humfrz 11-26-2022 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Ultramaroon (Post 3558068)
I had no idea that grasshoppers make a good belt dressing.

They didn't - that's the reason my grandpa made me quit doing it. - :paddle:

Brzerker 11-29-2022 01:30 AM

An update on the issue.

Took the belt off to inspect and found a bigger issue, leaking coolant! I think the belt might have been tainted with coolant which was causing the squeaks. My local mechanic swapped the belt and broken plate, and all seems to be good for now. Car is around 180k km (~110k miles)

btw, does anyone have a name for what this plate is called?

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