Power dilemma
 

Im running about the same setup as you but have an oft an running there e85 tune an absolutely love the power gains takes out most of the torque dip ive ran e85 for about 10k now with no problems

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That sounds great. Glad to hear. Thank you.

Yeah, 85 tune is all you need. I ran it for a little over a month and a half. Only down side is I had to drive 40+ miles to refill. MPG was lost by about 8-10 (city/hwy mix) and I just got sick of the drive+$4.17/gallon.

It was fun while it lasted.

I got my e85 stuff from Visconti. Bought it from a member here for a little less than $700.

This will help you answer most, if not all questions:

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=96158

I feel you on the long drive 30 minutes out of my way lol

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Not worry about the loss of MPG as long as there is a fair gain in power. Thank you.


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In alot of cases it's not so much the modification that puts the car at risk, it's the tune. With a bad tune even something as simple as E85 can ruin your car. Same goes with FI. Running too much boost and bad tuning will see your engine out the door quick. Low boost and safe tuning will see your engine last a lifetime. The problem is people always want more. They get a taste of what these cars are like boosted and they start winding up the boost, to hell with the fuel map and to hell with the engine! If you run with the manufacturers specs and get the right tune you'll be ok

I run e85. 200hp at the wheels, instead of the crank. I use flex fuel to guarantee my timings and stuff are right(turns out no one actually has 85% ethanol here. Usually 80 but some stations run 70% year round). Totally safe to do. There is the Phantom electric supercharger you could look at too. I think headers are the only way to really get rid of the torque dip. Just keep your stock parts and swap them back before you sell it

OK, I have nothing to say ....... :popcorn:


humfrz

You want to mod and tune, yet you don't want to blow the engine.

Makes sense.

Be yourself! Don't let one person deter you from your dreams!

At least thats what my parents told me when I was a kid.

:bellyroll:

Have a read here basic bolt on mods
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=81493



and specificly for E85 here
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67310

E85 on a stock car worth about 20hp no mods other than tune required

Nitrous....

There are so many options out there for improving the power delivery and acceleration without going to headers or tuning.

Crawford Powerblocks, final drive ratio, lighter wheels and lighter drive shaft to name a few that come to mind. All these still leave the door open to going further with headers, custom tune, E85 flex fuel setup.

I would note each down and do some research into the pro's and cons. There are no free meals. Every mod will have trade off / con's. Final drive will hit fuel economy. headers can't really be installed without a custom tune and will also increase exhaust noise. Are you looking for a daily driver that feels awesome or something that looks awesome and feels crap to drive ie harsh and noisy?

Wow. 8 to 10 hp loss out of a tune is a lot. I was gona go with that tune exhaust headers but damn I don't want to lose half my mpg. I drive to far to get this done.

You lose about a third of your mpg. But gas is a lot cheaper. Figured it up once, I lost one mile per dollar to run e85. But it's plentiful here

Either save up and go forced induction or keep the mods you have and drive it or trade it in.


The greatest NA gain is generally a header and tune..... E85 would provide gains for sure, but you're limiting yourself by not getting a quality header.


Power costs money, how fast do you want to go?

This^
Plus - There is always risk of component failure when changing anything on a car. The car was designed as a whole with the stock parts in mind. Altering anything can (not will, just can) cause issues elsewhere. If you want more power, a drop, different lights, louder exhaust, etc. then you have to fully understand what those risks are and be willing to take them. To say you (I again state that "most" of the people here do not want more power. many yes, most no)want more power but do not want any of the risks, cost or inconvenience (exhaust too loud) is counter intuitive.
You also complained that you would "lose your ass" by selling it with the mods you already have. Well welcome to realities of the world of car modding.

What Tcoat said

How loud headers with a borla exhaust? Is it obnoxious? Can't talk in the cabin? Forget about music...lol


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Depends on what headers you get (catted or not, equal length or UEL) and what overpipe / front pipe you put on. Do some research.

Any Recommendations?


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http://i.imgur.com/fXqXDoL.jpg


http://i.imgur.com/7No4IOe.jpg

Depends on what your end goal is.


Power, price, UEL, EL, there isn't one cure all. Also the front pipe / overpipes vary so much depending on the end users goal there isn't one solution for everyone. The "Engine/Exhaust/Transmission" section is a great place to start.

Yep. What constitutes "loud" is very subjective. The links I gave above are pretty much the definitive threads on options. Loads of clips to sort of hear what each sounds like as well. Of course every possible combo isn't there since that would be in the thousands (at least).

eww Visconti lol, have you caught fire yet?


to OP I say supercharge the bitch and forget about the rest, e85 is all fine and dandy but for many (including myself), the cost of running e85 (distance for refuel, time taken to drive out to station with e85, plus it's actual cost) outweigh the benefits for me and within a few years would have cost nearly as much as the supercharger kit. That's just my opinion though, also e85 doesn't give you any sc whine/scream which is just sad.

And to this I say whap whap sckishh fluelululu pshhh wwwwwweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeennnnnnnnnt skshhhh braaaallaaallapp

UMMMMM OK Fum (originally said OK Fu but that looked bad and could have been misinterpreted)

If you want to lower noise I would ensure to get a catted header and possibly a 2.5in FP vs a 3in (I saw you had an exhaust just not sure if CatBack or included FP).


Also a exhaust tip baffle may also be suitable to reduce noise if yuou find it too loud once modded.

Personally, I don't have 91 in town, only e85 and 87 so is more efficient for me to use e85 than premium

According to Ethanol Retailer's, Flex Fuel Finder the closest E85 to me is about 6 hours away.
I can however get 91, 93 and even 94 about 5 minutes from home.




http://www.ethanolretailer.com/flex-fuel-station-finder

91 is prevalent here, 93 if you know where to find it. You kind of have to search out E85. It isn't impossible to find, just not most gas stations I would normally use. I wouldn't mind having flex fuel, but I wouldn't use it often.

Fortunate enough there seem to be a few very close to me.
I am leaning more towards headers and tune first and see if that satisfy my power crave.


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Nothing will satisfy you.

Hey so quick question, since it applies to headers mentioned earlier... I assume it's best to replace the gaskets when you swap headers... Does everyone just get OEM, Auto Zone, or order from a performance shop? This is assuming you don't get gaskets with your header, like if you buy used.

Get OEM or Grimpseed gaskets.

You shouldn't reuse the gaskets unless you want to risk an exhaust leak.

always best to get new gaskets. they are usually around $40 and will potentially save a lot more time and money trying to troubleshoot an exhaust leak down the road. I would either go OEM or use one of the main vendors that advertise here, not sure about your local auto store.

I like how you think wheels and coils are "investments" lol.

A tune with e85 and headers will fix the torque dip. But keep in mind you have a brand new warranty. It's very easy to blame a drivetrain failure on added power and tune.

Boost is the only way to add enough power that you are not continually wanting more out of your car.

In every car I've owned, the bolt-ons were enough to satisfy wants for about, maybe a year. Most of my cars get boosted, and the results are always amazing. Complete kits are made for this platform (I have a brand new Kraftwerks SC for sale in the classifieds, for a killer deal) and that's the only way to jam 100+whp into your motor, is FI.

The main thing for forced induction - DONT CHEAP OUT. If you know you need a certain power level, don't buy the cheapest one, and try to ring the most out of it. Skip the non-intercooled units - If I had something on my car, I wouldn't want it to be the lowest selection available out of all the better mid and higher end units.

Buy complete. Don't buy used, and don't piece together stuff unless you know exactly what your doing.

Last - it ALL comes down to the tune and the hardware. There are some great tuners for this platform, just talk to one before using them.

But running a header, exhaust, and a e85 tune, will never touch what forced induction is able to do. If you want more power, buy a turbo or SC kit, you can leave everything else stock and you'll still make massive gains.