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jonnyfrank 10-08-2015 03:16 PM
Traction control tips
 
So I am new to the different traction modes in the modern day cars. My 2016 BRZ has them, and I need a short user tutorial from the forum members. Any tips or ideas on how and when to use the different modes and what I will experience? Does one mode allow for more drifting while another allows for a "smoother" ride. Yes, I will read the manual and google some other sites, but I feel like we are a fraternity here, so I am throwing this out there.

Keep in mind I am (a young) 53, but I have those teenage boys who will be learning how to drive a stick with this car. Any and all advice would be appreciated.

Thank you in advance.

go_a_way1 10-08-2015 03:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jonnyfrank (Post 2414076)
So I am new to the different traction modes in the modern day cars. My 2016 BRZ has them, and I need a short user tutorial from the forum members. Any tips or ideas on how and when to use the different modes and what I will experience? Does one mode allow for more drifting while another allows for a "smoother" ride. Yes, I will read the manual and google some other sites, but I feel like we are a fraternity here, so I am throwing this out there.

Keep in mind I am (a young) 53, but I have those teenage boys who will be learning how to drive a stick with this car. Any and all advice would be appreciated.

Thank you in advance.
Leaving it all on (no buttons pressed) = safest and like a normal car

VSC Sport button lets the tail slide a bit but will still save you

1 press of Trac will let tires spin a bit till a set speed then turns back on

Hold Trac button turns off all aids for the most part (use this to drift ect.)

Pedal dance turns off all aid 100% NOT FOR STREET USE!!!

Tcoat 10-08-2015 03:29 PM
If an auto it also has snow mode which starts you out in 2nd and smooth's out the shifts for more stability in ice and snow.
All setting address traction control only so there is no difference in ride.

JS + BRZ 10-08-2015 03:51 PM
Normal mode = Street
VSC Sport = Canyon
Pedal Dance = Track

go_a_way1 10-08-2015 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by JS + BRZ (Post 2414132)
Normal mode = Street
VSC Sport = Canyon
Pedal Dance = Track
Yup thats about right! I run VSC sport on 100% of the time TBH

MisterSheep 10-08-2015 03:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by go_a_way1 (Post 2414088)
Leaving it all on (no buttons pressed) = safest and like a normal car

VSC Sport button lets the tail slide a bit but will still save you

1 press of Trac will let tires spin a bit till a set speed then turns back on

Hold Trac button turns off all aids for the most part (use this to drift ect.)

Pedal dance turns off all aid 100% NOT FOR STREET USE!!!

Leaving it all on (no buttons pressed)= normal driver

VSC Sport button= driver who is not entirely experienced but wants to drive through a canyon road aggresively yet safely.

1 press of Trac = for all those times you "think" traction control is off yet you try to burnout anyways to impress all your immature friends.

Hold Trac button= no traction nor stability control. Use for mad drifts and all the burnouts. It will not save you. Proceed with caution. :burnrubber:

Pedal dance turns off all aid 100% NOT FOR STREET USE!= for the track junkies that have the frs as their track car and do not plan to take it to the dealership because dealer can track when you go into this mode.

Fixed.

JazzleSAURUS 10-08-2015 03:58 PM
I tend to turn of traction control a lot. VSC Sport seems to interfere occasionally when I have a hard shift, or push it a bit. I do, however, use this mode in the rain when I want minimal surprises.

strat61caster 10-08-2015 04:02 PM
TC buttons only change how much computers 'let you slide' no smoothness implied, it either rights you immediately, soonish, or almost not at all.

3 button presses deomonstrated in this video:

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8qggahGNH0"]Toyota 86 Traction Control Demonstration [SKIDPAD] - YouTube[/ame]

IMO:
All on: public roads 99% of the time
'Sport': occasional street use, when scouting a new track
Off: HPDE/AutoX only
Edit: Pedal Dance, going to try it out for the first time in two weeks...

jawn 10-08-2015 09:42 PM
I drive in Sport nearly exclusively when it's dry out. It'll let you get a little bit of rotation before it kicks in, and I appreciate that.

Tcoat 10-08-2015 09:53 PM
This was in with the video Strat linked. Tells the story very well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dj7W...ature=youtu.be

jonnyfrank 10-08-2015 09:56 PM
That traction control makes an ugly sound....tried all versions today except for pedal dance.....put 52 miles on my car and let my 15 year old drive it....he actually did well with the clutch. I love this car. Getting windows tinted and paint protected on Tuesday.

Thanks, BRZ fraternity :)

kch 10-08-2015 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by jonnyfrank (Post 2414565)
That traction control makes an ugly sound....
yeah, it's using the ABS to stop wheelspin rather than limiting power. it sounds pretty terrible.

perryair 10-08-2015 10:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JazzleSAURUS (Post 2414144)
I tend to turn of traction control a lot. VSC Sport seems to interfere occasionally when I have a hard shift, or push it a bit. I do, however, use this mode in the rain when I want minimal surprises.
you can't even chirp gears in vsc sport without the traction control kicking in. even with he one press traction off, traction control kicks in a lot when you're driving spiritedly. I used to drive a very tail happy mustang gt stick for quite a few years so I'm comfortable with the kind of driving that you do with tc held off. (though in rain I won't even mess with vsc sport, give me all the traction you can - hydro planing is just about the least fun thing that you can encounter)

Toyarzee 10-08-2015 10:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterSheep (Post 2414134)
Pedal dance turns off all aid 100% NOT FOR STREET USE!= [COLOR=red]for the track junkies that have the frs as their track car and do not plan to take it to the dealership because dealer can track when you go into this mode.
wait wait wait

wtf?

honestly, I drive with this thing in vsc sport everywhere, hold trac for 5 sec in canyon, and pedal dance at race track. But this tracking when you do pedal dance is something i haven't read anywhere yet.

Is that something like if you take it in with a blown motor and the thing was in diagnostic mode RECENTLY they'll use it as leverage; or is it a once used and eff you?

Back on track, I find the intrusive nannies to be quite relevant on the regular street and recommend keeping in normal mode for the avg driver... if there is such a thing these days

15limited 10-08-2015 11:26 PM
I turn them all off, hold traction control button down for 5 seconds, first thing after I start up the car every time. I live in the Pacific NW, and granted just getting the car earlier this summer, I haven't had it in the rain very much yet but simple throttle control keeps this car exactly where you want it until you tell it otherwise. Haven't hydroplaned yet tho, that might change things up a bit.

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humdizzle 10-09-2015 05:44 AM
i turn them all off as soon as i start the car. the vsc sport still interferes too much for me.

Plus you never know when there will be an opportune drift moment and you can't spare 5 sec to turn off the systems.

MisterSheep 10-09-2015 11:23 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Toyarzee (Post 2414640)
wait wait wait

wtf?
Is that something like if you take it in with a blown motor and the thing was in diagnostic mode RECENTLY they'll use it as leverage; or is it a once used and eff you?
I read somewhere that a dealership denied warranty due to the "pedal dance" Ill try to find that read.

Toyarzee 10-09-2015 02:03 PM
Please do...

mav1178 10-09-2015 02:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterSheep (Post 2414134)
Hold Trac button= no traction nor stability control. Use for mad drifts and all the burnouts. It will not save you. Proceed with caution. :burnrubber:

Pedal dance turns off all aid 100% NOT FOR STREET USE!= for the track junkies that have the frs as their track car and do not plan to take it to the dealership because dealer can track when you go into this mode.

Fixed.
Hold trac button = will not allow you to drift properly, as it still kicks in when the car rotates excessively.

As for pedal dance = dealer issues, that is pure BS unless you are trying to warranty clutch, tires, differential, axle, or other engine issues that may be associated with car abuse.

Pedal dance or not, that is a DIAGNOSTIC MODE for a service tech to road test a car.

-alex

strat61caster 10-09-2015 03:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mav1178 (Post 2415309)
Hold trac button = will not allow you to drift properly, as it still kicks in when the car rotates excessively.
You know I've heard a few people echo this but I'm not 100% onboard, in my experience the trac-hold will not save you from a spin, should not affect drifting unless the EBD affecting brake bias is too disruptive with the trail braking required.

Seemed like CSG's testing pointed to the trail braking and lifting a wheel being the two cases where the trac-hold stepped in, shouldn't be any wheel lift while drifting.

mav1178 10-09-2015 03:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by strat61caster (Post 2415402)
You know I've heard a few people echo this but I'm not 100% onboard, in my experience the trac-hold will not save you from a spin, should not affect drifting unless the EBD affecting brake bias is too disruptive with the trail braking required.
Holding down trac button prevented me from doing simple figure 8s on a wetted skidpad about a year ago.

-alex

Clipdat 10-09-2015 03:29 PM
I leave all the nannies on when I do aggressive canyon carving and I still have a great time. *shrug*

Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterSheep (Post 2414134)
Leaving it all on (no buttons pressed)= normal driver

VSC Sport button= driver who is not entirely experienced but wants to drive through a canyon road aggresively yet safely.

Toyarzee 10-09-2015 03:31 PM
I've run into issues with 5 sec trac off as well for some maneuvers. I'm starting to get annoyed enough to look into that box that replaces the need to do the whole pedal dance out of laziness

shiumai 10-09-2015 04:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kch (Post 2414614)
yeah, it's using the ABS to stop wheelspin rather than limiting power. it sounds pretty terrible.
I'd rather hear the ABS kick in than the sound of my wheel slamming into a curb :lol:
Now THAT would be a much worse sound!

BRZ_Prague 10-09-2015 05:32 PM
I've read somewhere, that when car is not fully warmed up it will save you even with TRC fully off.

Bramick 10-10-2015 07:31 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Toyarzee (Post 2415463)
I've run into issues with 5 sec trac off as well for some maneuvers. I'm starting to get annoyed enough to look into that box that replaces the need to do the whole pedal dance out of laziness
That box is pretty awesome, especially for trackers.

dalli 10-10-2015 02:30 PM
Even if you leave all controls on(no buttons pressed), you can still slide the rear out. Well i can on my brz and its pretty fun, esp in the rain

Chanpion 10-11-2015 02:03 AM
If you live up in the north:
I personally keep in is VSC sport the whole time. But disable your traction control when you leave the line, only way to get moving in the snow/ ice.
Basically, press right button when you get in car. Hold both down for a few seconds for track. Press just the left one for snow/ ice. The left button will disable or switch it back to normal after a few seconds/ over 50kmh.
I try to keep them off at all times. The car communicates so well, doesn't snap or anything.


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