Originally Posted by soulreapersteve (Post 2364729)

motoring.au should be quoted for all things FRS/BRZ/GT86.

Any other website is just bullshitting.

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2364758)

You saved me a rant.

Originally Posted by NWFRS (Post 2364897)

Yes. He did indeed. :)

You know, I'm genuinely not interested the next iteration of the twins. I've owned mine since mid-2013. It's been fun. At the time I bought it, it fit my wants and needs better than anything else did. It's my first NEW car, and having paid so much, I'm content now to just drive it for as long as I can.

Furthermore, it seems that every consecutive concept just gets bigger wings and uglier body kits. I think I'm turning into an old man. I like the conservative lines of the original car. I also figure that by the time I've driven my car into the ground, we will be well into full EVs. I'll have my hearing aids in, leaning on some "nice young man" while he sells me an extended warranty...

Originally Posted by MisterSheep (Post 2364931)

I mean haven't you seen this? The next gen frs with optional AWD hybrid. Or they've been talking about a convertible.
http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/w...cept-beach.jpg

Since Scion got rights to the Mazda 2 they are working on getting the miata as well, so they can release the much smaller Frs roadster, the smaller, even lighter frs.

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2364939)

They officially scrapped the convertible plan a year ago. Too bad as I would have been interested in that.
Any and every other version is just speculation on the part of the blogs since there has not been one single official statement made. Blogs misquoting execs at various shows or stating they know from an "inside" source are not official.

Originally Posted by MisterSheep (Post 2364953)

I dont believe most of the rumors anyways. I'll believe when I see it. The only confirmed rumor from toyota is the new 2018 FT-1 that officialy started production. This time they collaborated with BMW to make this one.

Meaning... we all bought the wrong car. But at the same time, expect it to be a $80k car.

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2364960)

Have a link to the official announcement? Not doubting but curious. I would have 0 interest in that monster anyway since I prefer the 60s Batmobile.

Originally Posted by MisterSheep (Post 2364971)

http://rmautobuzz.com/top-10-new-cars-coming-2017/9/

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...gen-supra.html
This one is saying there might be a 1.5L hybrid model priced under the frs... I think i want to call BS on that.

http://bravenewcarz.com/2018-toyota-supra/

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2364983)

Nope.
Sorry but now doubting. Not one single official Toyota site or link to one there. Car blogs saying it is "official" does not make it so. All based their rumours on each other with motoring.au leading the pack most of the time.

Originally Posted by MisterSheep (Post 2364994)

http://toyotanews.pressroom.toyota.c...conference.htm

Here's one I found off the Toyota website.

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2365002)

Better but still no dice.

2014 North American International Auto Show (NAIAS) - Toyota FT-1 Concept Reveal

It does not say they will make it and certainly does not say they are in production. All that says is that they challenged to team to come up with great designs which they did (if you are into that thing). This is the sort of thing that the blogs misquote and run with to base their speculation on.
There are 1,000s of concepts that never get built.

Originally Posted by MisterSheep (Post 2365008)

I will find search day and night to find it! I remember seeing it somewhere and I remember beeing amazed and it wasn't a BS website as well...

Maybe @megamarines can help chime in on this! we were talking about it yesterday.

I will find it @Tcoat and I will not dissapoint

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2365037)

I think if there was any news within the last year then this place http://www.ft1club.com/forums/showth...han-Base-Vette would be hooping and not a desolate wasteland.
Oh and remember they were getting their info from the blogs as well so don't cite them as references.

Sorry for being skeptic but there is so much crap out there when talking car releases I will never believe a thing until it has the company endorsing it.

Originally Posted by MisterSheep (Post 2365066)

http://www.supramkv.com/threads/new-...ix-engine.179/

Everything is just going to be rumors. But I do believe they are getting more serious about the topic.

http://www.supramkv.com/threads/toyo...g-to-plan.195/

Originally Posted by MisterSheep (Post 2365069)

We kinda hijacked this thread... went from FR-S to FT-1

Rumors are rumors, and all we can really do is wait.

Originally Posted by megamarines (Post 2365125)

Realistically, the rumors are sounding more like testing grounds, as of now. Less than a year ago I lived close to the previous Toyota headquarters in Torrance, CA. A couple of "show and tell" events that they had for car events, press releases, etc usually showed off the FT1. Through hearsay we all found out that it was a specialty car from the Supra heritage, but in an "evolved" state. It will share a motor with BMW very shortly down the line and potentially has multiple engine variants to help decide price points.

In one of these events when I went in for a parts inquiry for TRD parts and widespread national development of them, I asked one of the divisional managers if the FT1 would ever come out or was just a potential show piece.

Apparently it's hush hush between even most of the tech staff, but multiple test prototypes have been developed, tested, and shown, but will require a "small amount" of further analysis and talks with partner companies before any mass-production can begin. When I started asking more I was met politely with "Well I can't say much else besides that as well the fact that you'll be waiting a few years until potential completion. It's a slow burn project".

From that I can realistically say that the final concepts and physical fabrications we've seen are VERY close to the final product, but tweaks and changes in a non radical variety could be expected before any more serious news comes out about the FT1.

Personally, I would expect minimal body changes save for small little pieces, but interior changes could be the whole thing down to a couple switches. Obviously the divisional manager could be working with what he heard as well, but considering he was one of the higher individuals amongst Toyota USA, I'd take his word with less salt than most.

Originally Posted by megamarines (Post 2365125)

Realistically, the rumors are sounding more like testing grounds, as of now. Less than a year ago I lived close to the previous Toyota headquarters in Torrance, CA. A couple of "show and tell" events that they had for car events, press releases, etc usually showed off the FT1. Through hearsay we all found out that it was a specialty car from the Supra heritage, but in an "evolved" state. It will share a motor with BMW very shortly down the line and potentially has multiple engine variants to help decide price points.

In one of these events when I went in for a parts inquiry for TRD parts and widespread national development of them, I asked one of the divisional managers if the FT1 would ever come out or was just a potential show piece.

Apparently it's hush hush between even most of the tech staff, but multiple test prototypes have been developed, tested, and shown, but will require a "small amount" of further analysis and talks with partner companies before any mass-production can begin. When I started asking more I was met politely with "Well I can't say much else besides that as well the fact that you'll be waiting a few years until potential completion. It's a slow burn project".

From that I can realistically say that the final concepts and physical fabrications we've seen are VERY close to the final product, but tweaks and changes in a non radical variety could be expected before any more serious news comes out about the FT1.

Personally, I would expect minimal body changes save for small little pieces, but interior changes could be the whole thing down to a couple switches. Obviously the divisional manager could be working with what he heard as well, but considering he was one of the higher individuals amongst Toyota USA, I'd take his word with less salt than most.

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2365134)

And this is the most believable thing out there and now it will probably show up in a blog as "a trusted insider says..."
They will say a little but will be on the unemployment line in a hurry if they say too much.
So, all in all still not in production and still could never actually be (or could be announced next week they will be on the dealer floor by spring).

Originally Posted by soulreapersteve (Post 2365226)

I bet the people at motoring.au is scrambling to put out a story right now!

Originally Posted by MisterSheep (Post 2364931)

Since Scion got rights to the Mazda 2 they are working on getting the miata as well, so they can release the much smaller Frs roadster, the smaller, even lighter frs.

Originally Posted by Levi (Post 2365379)

There is usually some truth to any rumor, but I would prefer to talk about rational speculation.


Seeing how Toyota rebadges the Mazda 2 Sedan as a Scion, I would see it possible for Toyota to rebadge or redesign the MX-5 Roadster as a Toyota/Scion, especially as Coupe as Mazda does not want to build a MX-5 Coupe, unless it is a RX-7, but the probability of that is almost, null, as Mazda focuses on other products. In addition we must not for get that the MX-5 will be also available by FCA as a Fiat 124 Spider, a Fiat 124 Coupe would not be impossible.


The thing is the GT86/BRZ is dropping in sales, because obviously everyone that wanted one bought it. Those asking more power will not buy it even if it did have more power.


We know BMW and Toyota are working on the sportscar, Z5 and Supra-like. Given the low sales of sports cars declining sales of sedans, because of the new trend in crossovers and SUVs, it is very unlikely BMW will have a full line-up of Z cars (Z1, Z3, Z5). This means Toyota will not have any platform for the GT86 successor. Subaru is going to its new modular platform, so does Toyota with its own.


The only thing left is Mazda. If the platform is good, why not as a Toyota too. This would end the Twin vs. MX-5 debate.