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01-22-2011 11:42 PM |
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Originally Posted by Dimman
(Post 25032)
Good point Ichi. The Celica's IC is right beside the turbo and manifold, whereas on the Impreza the turbo is further away and the exhaust manifold is mostly underneath the motor.
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Originally Posted by ichitaka05
(Post 25019)
True, Toyota was banned in '95, but iirc they could of come back '96. Also they didn't walked away with the WRC, it was more like they had to walk away. Cuz next yr Toyota stop making 4WD Celica & they couldn't keep making the "super" Corolla just for WRC... so in the end, they had to walk away.
If you count how many Championship manufacture, Impreza has more than Celica (Imp-3 Cel-2). If you wanna count Corolla then it's a tie, but count both driver and manufacture then Subaru has higher numbers.
That's my argument... but you know Rally stuff more than I do, so next reply from you will prob beat me on this debate. :bow: But for mechanical stuff, I might have chance of keeping it up w ya (cuz I am Boxer Engine Lover :bellyroll:)
As for Celica's TMIC vs Subaru's TMIC is totally different. Here's both pic of Celica's TMIC and Subaru's TMIC
Celica
http://www.japparts.com.au/images/185.jpg
Impreza
http://lh6.ggpht.com/redbishop/SFH7Y...Cm0/engine.jpg
Both pics aren't great pics (sorry), but you can see that Celica's TMIC is on top of the engine. While Impreza is behind the engine, that makes it not getting direct heat from the engine.
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Subaru Impreza 3 Manufacturers championships + 3 drivers championships.
Toyota Celica 2 manufacturers championships + 4 drivers championships.
Corolla has one more Manufacturer championship. Toyota could have come back sooner, but it was their choice not to. They only came back to prove a point. If they chose to continue, and they could have, Subaru would probably never had enjoyed the success they had (Especially since Tommi Makkinen owned the WRC Drivers championsip while Toyota was away, and indeed snagged it from Didier Auriol and El Matador (Carlos Sainz) in 1999. They stopped making the GT4 Celica because they didn't rally anymore, not the other way around. Had they stuck in the WRC and not went to LeMans/F1, we probably would have had a GT4 version of the ZZT celica :(.
Anyway, good point on the Intercooler placement, but one important thing, the Celica's intercooler is an Air-water unit, not and air-air unit like the impreza. Of note however, and admittedly I just found this info, I did not know this;
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The biggest drawback of the Impreza boxer engine is the proximity of the inlet manifold to most heat sources in the engine bay. Additionally the intercooler is located above the engine, which is definitely not the best place to put it, hence the big central air vent on the bonnet. A similar choice, for the intercooler placement, in the Nissan Sunny GTi-R of old resulted in engineers calling it inter-warmer...Locating the intercooler this way results in relatively high intake air temperatures of around 50 °C and thus reduces the engine's efficiency. The racing version of the Impreza uses an intercooler which is relocated in the front bumper.
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