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ZionsWrath 05-20-2015 06:11 PM

Issue with camber plate
 
I installed raceseng cascam on stock suspension. Had a problem with the center shock nut coming loose. The Blue Loctite fixed the issue for a bit. I did 3 events (3 days in a row) and put about 1000 miles on them and didn't have a problem.

On the drive home they started clunking badly. Same sound as when they were loose the first time, but now they are still tight and trying to tighten them does nothing and the sound is still there.

It is a really awful sound and I am worried to drive the car. I checked the rest of the suspension parts and nothing is loose. The sound is definitely coming from the top part of the suspension.

Is it possible I blew the shocks or something? I don't really know where else to look.

ExxelDistributions 05-20-2015 08:28 PM

had the same issue as yours with the noise not the part where they come loose. ended up removing them from my kw v3's. need to install them back again just dont want to hear the noise

ZionsWrath 05-20-2015 08:32 PM

So just remove and reinstall them?

Raceseng 05-20-2015 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ZionsWrath (Post 2256683)
So just remove and reinstall them?

Please email me info@raceseng.com to discuss. I will get you taken care of.

Thanks

cdrazic93 05-20-2015 11:01 PM

He gotchyo back bruh.

ZionsWrath 05-22-2015 01:24 PM

No luck. Everything appears tight. No evidence of anything loose like rubbing marks around any fasteners. Shocks not leaking oil.

Can not reproduce sound unless driving. Happens on bumpy roads like city streets. Silent on flat roads.

Any ideas? Should I hit the center shock nut with an impact? It is tight with hand tools.

Raceseng 05-22-2015 01:53 PM

The spherical bearing might be loose from the first 2 times the shock nut came loose. The direct pounding on the bearing could have ruined the teflon liner.

Did you try calling the shop number I gave you to talk in person?

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Originally Posted by ZionsWrath (Post 2258839)
No luck. Everything appears tight. No evidence of anything loose like rubbing marks around any fasteners. Shocks not leaking oil.

Can not reproduce sound unless driving. Happens on bumpy roads like city streets. Silent on flat roads.

Any ideas? Should I hit the center shock nut with an impact? It is tight with hand tools.


ZionsWrath 05-22-2015 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raceseng (Post 2258879)
The spherical bearing might be loose from the first 2 times the shock nut came loose. The direct pounding on the bearing could have ruined the teflon liner.

Did you try calling the shop number I gave you to talk in person?

Yes i spoke to ryan. Any way i can check that?

Raceseng 05-22-2015 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZionsWrath (Post 2258913)
Yes i spoke to ryan. Any way i can check that?

Got yah, if you need to call back... Ask for me, Jarrett

ZionsWrath 05-22-2015 02:28 PM

http://i62.tinypic.com/2s1svpv.jpg

http://i60.tinypic.com/2ymeidk.jpg

wparsons 05-22-2015 04:44 PM

You won't see internal damage on the bearing from an external shot, if you have the bearing loose you can probably feel extra play (there should be none) though.

ZionsWrath 05-23-2015 01:13 PM

I disassembled the passenger side today. Took the whole thing out.

Bearing moves smoothly. No play. No noise. Reassembled everything, new blue loctite on fasteners.

Sound is still there. Occurs much more when single wheel is driving over bumps, not much if any when both wheels go over something, like an expansion joint.

I noticed this damage to the spring perch. It may be from an incorrect bolt on initial install which has since been replaced but I can't be sure.

http://i61.tinypic.com/35d4179.jpg

wparsons 05-23-2015 10:09 PM

Check your swaybar endlinks too.

whataboutbob 05-24-2015 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by wparsons (Post 2260265)
Check your swaybar endlinks too.

This. If the bolt holding the endlink to the swaybar or the bolt holding the endlink to the strut/coilover is loose, you'll get clunking when there is an uneven load on the swaybar. A case where this can happen is when you are entering a driveway and one side of the front suspension becomes loaded while the other is not. In this case there is the most extreme load on the front swaybar and if the endlinks aren't REALLY tight, you can get clunking. I've encountered this problem more than once on my car. It is a good idea to check the nuts on the endlinks from time to time as they may come loose even if you tightened them properly during the initial install. I've also found that depending on which endlinks you are running, it may be necessary to put a 3/8" fender washer on both sides of the mounting point for the endlink to get them to snugly tighten up.

whataboutbob 05-24-2015 12:17 AM

BTW, I've been running these CASCAMs on my car for over a year, and have not had ANY issues like the ones you are experiencing. I'd be looking to other suspension components first before the CASCAMs.

Deraj 05-24-2015 03:12 AM

I also had a clunking noise - on stock suspension plus Raceseng cascams dialed for max camber. I contacted Raceseng and they said they had a production run of bolts (the 3 top mounting bolts) that were too long. As a result, the spring perch was hitting up against the bottom part of the bolt and causing the clunk. I should mention that Raceseng was very responsive and sent out replacement bolts and spring perches the same day. I would measure one of those bolts and shoot it over to Raceseng to see if that's your problem.

ZionsWrath 05-24-2015 05:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whataboutbob (Post 2260357)
This. If the bolt holding the endlink to the swaybar or the bolt holding the endlink to the strut/coilover is loose, you'll get clunking when there is an uneven load on the swaybar. A case where this can happen is when you are entering a driveway and one side of the front suspension becomes loaded while the other is not. In this case there is the most extreme load on the front swaybar and if the endlinks aren't REALLY tight, you can get clunking. I've encountered this problem more than once on my car. It is a good idea to check the nuts on the endlinks from time to time as they may come loose even if you tightened them properly during the initial install. I've also found that depending on which endlinks you are running, it may be necessary to put a 3/8" fender washer on both sides of the mounting point for the endlink to get them to snugly tighten up.

It cant be this. I tightened with hex key and wrench. The next time i used an impact wrench.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Deraj (Post 2260429)
I also had a clunking noise - on stock suspension plus Raceseng cascams dialed for max camber. I contacted Raceseng and they said they had a production run of bolts (the 3 top mounting bolts) that were too long. As a result, the spring perch was hitting up against the bottom part of the bolt and causing the clunk. I should mention that Raceseng was very responsive and sent out replacement bolts and spring perches the same day. I would measure one of those bolts and shoot it over to Raceseng to see if that's your problem.

i had a problem getting 2.6 camber in my alignment and it was because of that issue. I too got replacement bolts. I dont know if maybe something else could have got damage during the alignment as they were trying to set it. I doubt it but i am not sure what to look at.

I check every bolt. Next day off i guess i will swap on oem top mount and see for sure...

Raceseng 05-26-2015 09:07 AM

This damage is from the bolts that were too long. We will gladly replace the spring perch, please send me an email and we will get it shipped out.

It sounds like we eliminated the spherical bearing from the equation.

Please do the same check on the radial bearing in the spring perch. Make sure it moves smoothly and does not have any play.

If we eliminate both of components, the next thing to address is installation.


Quote:

Originally Posted by ZionsWrath (Post 2259883)
I disassembled the passenger side today. Took the whole thing out.

Bearing moves smoothly. No play. No noise. Reassembled everything, new blue loctite on fasteners.

Sound is still there. Occurs much more when single wheel is driving over bumps, not much if any when both wheels go over something, like an expansion joint.

I noticed this damage to the spring perch. It may be from an incorrect bolt on initial install which has since been replaced but I can't be sure.

http://i61.tinypic.com/35d4179.jpg


Raceseng 05-26-2015 09:08 AM

We already cleared this up with him but thank you for the feedback.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deraj (Post 2260429)
I also had a clunking noise - on stock suspension plus Raceseng cascams dialed for max camber. I contacted Raceseng and they said they had a production run of bolts (the 3 top mounting bolts) that were too long. As a result, the spring perch was hitting up against the bottom part of the bolt and causing the clunk. I should mention that Raceseng was very responsive and sent out replacement bolts and spring perches the same day. I would measure one of those bolts and shoot it over to Raceseng to see if that's your problem.


drewbot 05-26-2015 09:52 AM

I had some weird noises after my install, and luckily it was just the strut bar was torqued too high....

Good luck with your fix OP

ZionsWrath 06-01-2015 11:38 AM

Ugh sry no update. Today my day off and absolutely pissing rain. Ill try get up early tomorrow and hope it stopped and do some more investigation.

Ranatsu 06-01-2015 02:07 PM

As Jarrett, said earlier, its probably that the bearing has play. Mine started making a noise and Raceseng replaced it all for me. New part is installed and no more clunking.

ZionsWrath 06-06-2015 03:16 PM

Might be fixed? Going to test drive tonight and tomorrow ~50 miles to NYC and back.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ranatsu (Post 2270146)
As Jarrett, said earlier, its probably that the bearing has play. Mine started making a noise and Raceseng replaced it all for me. New part is installed and no more clunking.

When I removed everything there didn't seem to be play. If I have to tomorrow I will reinstall OEM top hat and see. I don't want to just throw new parts at it as I'll still be frustrated if they don't work.

Crossing my fingers for the test dive tonight.

ZionsWrath 07-21-2015 02:19 AM

Sorry no update for while, been busy with some other stuff haven't even drive the car until a few days ago.

I guess it has to be the bearing as there is really nothing else it could be. I just did a track day Friday and car drives fine. I don't know but I'm not going to waste any more time trying to hunt it down lol

Anyway I would like to hit up @Raceseng for those replacement top mounts if its not too late. Maybe I should just buy a replacement bearing and see what happens.

Raceseng 07-22-2015 10:16 PM

Send me an email with your shipping address and what side bearing housing you need, we will get it shipped out same day.

Thanks!

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZionsWrath (Post 2328588)
Sorry no update for while, been busy with some other stuff haven't even drive the car until a few days ago.

I guess it has to be the bearing as there is really nothing else it could be. I just did a track day Friday and car drives fine. I don't know but I'm not going to waste any more time trying to hunt it down lol

Anyway I would like to hit up @Raceseng for those replacement top mounts if its not too late. Maybe I should just buy a replacement bearing and see what happens.


ZionsWrath 08-02-2015 05:04 PM

Got the replacement bearing Friday. Did not receive the spring perches. But I was excited because I knew immediately the bearing would fix it.

I guess I couldn't tell because I had no comparison but when I removed the parts last time the bearing moved freely. This new one I couldn't even move.

Anyway, I installed it seems to fix problem. But I only drove a couple miles and my car is going into shop for some unrelated issues. Will do extensive test drive and track time when I get it back.

Thanks @Raceseng for superb customer service


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