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Manji 02-14-2015 05:41 AM

Before you do a 2JZ swap..
 
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I keep seeing 2jz swaps coming up on my news feed, and don't get me wrong I think that's great, but really surprised more aren't going 1uz TT.

2jz's come with a manual box, and factory turbo, 1uz's don't have either. But the aftermarket has shown these to not be issues.

You can buy bellhousing conversion kits to bolt the good toyota manual boxes to a 1uz.
The early generation 1uz's (non vvti) have proven time and time again to reliably take 600hp+ unopened, twice that if built.

1uz pros over 2jz
1000cc more displacement
75kg lighter
Cheaper
Shorter

Depending on your plans with the 1uz, governs which gen you buy. The early gen model (non vvti) have a stronger bottom end. If you don't want to build them, and just use stock motors, get an early gen.

If you're going to build it, get the vvti model. It has a far better head, but the rods are weaker.

So, why don't more people put 1uz's and twin turbo them, compared with 2j swaps, in other platforms? The 1uz is a big bitch. But again, remember it's quite a bit lighter than a 2jz. It's because there isn't the room. A lot of cars barely have room the 1uz itself, and need horrible "block hugger" headers to fit in, certainly not enough room for turbos.

BUT, the beauty of the gt86 is that it has a boxer. So the engine bay is very wide. Easily wide enough for a 1uz and a gtx28 or gtx30 either side of it.

1uz turbo setups are becoming more and more popular in the drift scene over here. Because of the reasons above, strong but still cheap. But the ones I've seen are in silvias, and because their bay isn't wide enough for TT, they have to do this ugly 8 into 1 setup with the turbo forward of the motor.

Here's a front on shot of my car. Look at the room we had for the headers. Easily enough room for a pair of snails.

Someone do it!

denso 02-14-2015 06:42 AM

Hi,
im wondering why nobody is looking for a 2GR swap. This engine got so much potential and is even smaller than a V8 an lighter of course.

nguyen_er 02-14-2015 06:45 AM

Do you have a build thread?

slicktop 02-16-2015 09:24 AM

The matter of 2JZ vs 1UZ is preference.

Both capable engines. I like how my 2JZ has more room than the 1UZ.

Koa 02-16-2015 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manji (Post 2132196)
1uz pros over 2jz
1000cc more displacement
75kg lighter
Cheaper
Shorter

Depending on your plans with the 1uz, governs which gen you buy. The early gen model (non vvti) have a stronger bottom end. If you don't want to build them, and just use stock motors, get an early gen.

If you're going to build it, get the vvti model. It has a far better head, but the rods are weaker.

So, why don't more people put 1uz's and twin turbo them, compared with 2j swaps, in other platforms? The 1uz is a big bitch. But again, remember it's quite a bit lighter than a 2jz. It's because there isn't the room. A lot of cars barely have room the 1uz itself, and need horrible "block hugger" headers to fit in, certainly not enough room for turbos.

BUT, the beauty of the gt86 is that it has a boxer. So the engine bay is very wide. Easily wide enough for a 1uz and a gtx28 or gtx30 either side of it.

1uz turbo setups are becoming more and more popular in the drift scene over here. Because of the reasons above, strong but still cheap. But the ones I've seen are in silvias, and because their bay isn't wide enough for TT, they have to do this ugly 8 into 1 setup with the turbo forward of the motor.

big ups for a solid first look at the benefits and feasibility of the 1uz, able to be followed easily and arguments non-emotional, straight perspective :cheers:

adamg 02-16-2015 10:15 AM

i applaud anyone that has the guts to do an engine swap on one of these cars. Pulling a brand new motor is insane :clap:

DustinS 02-16-2015 11:30 AM

I want to do a 1uz swap eventually. If you could post as many pictures as possible. This swap looks really good.

Tomita San 02-17-2015 04:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by denso (Post 2132201)
Hi,
im wondering why nobody is looking for a 2GR swap. This engine got so much potential and is even smaller than a V8 an lighter of course.

2GRs are not THAT great. They are too tall to fit in the engine bay, mostly because the complicated 3 stage VVTi head, they are not that light either.
Although dual-vvti, they donīt like to rev too high, and suffer from mysterious VVTi-gear knock, that nobody can fix ..just have to live with it.
Iīve got one in my Aurion (AUS Camry) and another in pieces lying around the garage :)
As for fitment, better look for the older (and simpler) 3MZ-FE..

Yamajee 02-17-2015 06:53 AM

More pics!!

UtahSleeper 02-17-2015 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tomita San (Post 2135418)
As for fitment, better look for the older (and simpler) 3MZ-FE..

If this motor had more parts to easily convert to rwd, I would be all over for my te72. Everything I have seen is it is a pain to convert(relocating starter, adapter plate for trans, etc).

Poodles 02-17-2015 08:02 PM

The issue with the 1UZ has always been lack of performance parts. They're great if you're a fabricator or can afford to have that stuff custom done...


In the Supra world it's kinda laughed at because it's a whole lot of hassle for only 1.0 liter difference. Same amount of work, better aftermarket support, and more engine bay room with an LS motor :)


Waiting for someone to toss a 3UR in one of these cars... but again, expensive...

inertia 02-18-2015 12:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adamg (Post 2134133)
i applaud anyone that has the guts to do an engine swap on one of these cars. Pulling a brand new motor is insane :clap:

A majority of these guys are purchasing their BRZ/FRS chassis from salvage auctions. I seriously doubt they are purchasing brand new or slightly used donors for their project. :bellyroll:

1GiantTurtle 02-18-2015 01:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by denso (Post 2132201)
Hi,
im wondering why nobody is looking for a 2GR swap. This engine got so much potential and is even smaller than a V8 an lighter of course.

I love the 2gr series engines however the 2gr-fse is too tall a custom intake manifold needs to be created

as seen here
http://sphotos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphoto...77457687_o.jpg

Tom's did it!
http://image.superstreetonline.com/f...-GT86-Toms.jpg




Some one used a 3gr-fse again a custom manifold must be created
http://www.turbofast.com.au/img/GT86_car2.jpg

MokSpeed 02-18-2015 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adamg (Post 2134133)
i applaud anyone that has the guts to do an engine swap on one of these cars. Pulling a brand new motor is insane :clap:

This.

I wouldn't even contemplate it until my motors sees close to 100,000 miles.

Shit Luck 02-19-2015 12:36 PM

ready to sell my boosted fa20 11k on the motor and 1k boosted with jdl stuff.
I see a 1uz in my future.

civicdrivr 02-19-2015 02:50 PM

I love the 1UZ, and it sounds amazing. @Manji - do you have any other details on your build? What transmission are you going with?

I've considered putting one of these in my IS since it bolts right in using GS400 mounts. I wouldn't mind having two cars powered by the same engine :)

Manji 02-19-2015 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by civicdrivr (Post 2139295)
I love the 1UZ, and it sounds amazing. @Manji - do you have any other details on your build? What transmission are you going with?

I've considered putting one of these in my IS since it bolts right in using GS400 mounts. I wouldn't mind having two cars powered by the same engine :)

You can use whichever box you like really. W series, R series, V series. Few guys make the setups (bell/fly/clutch) to do so. This guy here is good. http://convertmotorsport.co.nz/ He does kits for all the above boxes to UZ. He might also do a tremec setup. If he doesn't SURFAB does. I almost went that way but got a good deal on a new r154.

civicdrivr 02-19-2015 03:53 PM

Awesome, thanks. Those headers look amazing btw.

What engine management are you running?

aagun 02-20-2015 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manji (Post 2132196)
I keep seeing 2jz swaps coming up on my news feed, and don't get me wrong I think that's great, but really surprised more aren't going 1uz TT.

2jz's come with a manual box, and factory turbo, 1uz's don't have either. But the aftermarket has shown these to not be issues.

You can buy bellhousing conversion kits to bolt the good toyota manual boxes to a 1uz.
The early generation 1uz's (non vvti) have proven time and time again to reliably take 600hp+ unopened, twice that if built.

1uz pros over 2jz
1000cc more displacement
75kg lighter
Cheaper
Shorter

Depending on your plans with the 1uz, governs which gen you buy. The early gen model (non vvti) have a stronger bottom end. If you don't want to build them, and just use stock motors, get an early gen.

If you're going to build it, get the vvti model. It has a far better head, but the rods are weaker.

So, why don't more people put 1uz's and twin turbo them, compared with 2j swaps, in other platforms? The 1uz is a big bitch. But again, remember it's quite a bit lighter than a 2jz. It's because there isn't the room. A lot of cars barely have room the 1uz itself, and need horrible "block hugger" headers to fit in, certainly not enough room for turbos.

BUT, the beauty of the gt86 is that it has a boxer. So the engine bay is very wide. Easily wide enough for a 1uz and a gtx28 or gtx30 either side of it.

1uz turbo setups are becoming more and more popular in the drift scene over here. Because of the reasons above, strong but still cheap. But the ones I've seen are in silvias, and because their bay isn't wide enough for TT, they have to do this ugly 8 into 1 setup with the turbo forward of the motor.

Here's a front on shot of my car. Look at the room we had for the headers. Easily enough room for a pair of snails.

Someone do it!


did u use custom drive shaft ??

and what about radiator and oil filter??

is 3uz better option then 1uz ? not only the torque


i am planning v8 Toyota if it easy swapping with less cost

inertia 02-20-2015 10:54 PM

Wouldn't it be more expensive to go the route of a 1UZ vs. 2J? Just saying.

Vracer111 03-12-2015 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by inertia (Post 2141514)
Wouldn't it be more expensive to go the route of a 1UZ vs. 2J? Just saying.

1UZ's can be had DIRT cheap in comparison to 2JZ's... $500 or less for a motor...

inertia 03-12-2015 11:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vracer111 (Post 2166965)
1UZ's can be had DIRT cheap in comparison to 2JZ's... $500 or less for a motor...

What about the mount kit, custom drive shaft, trans, wiring harness, etc..

slicktop 03-13-2015 07:33 AM

Motor swaps for cheap on this platform isn't available for the average person yet. Period.

AJPG 03-13-2015 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MokSpeed (Post 2138033)
This.

I wouldn't even contemplate it until my motors sees close to fill up the catch can



Fix. :cheers:

continuecrushing 03-13-2015 12:03 PM

man, and I was just gonna swap motors after work today too

Koa 03-14-2015 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shutter (Post 2167681)
man, and I was just gonna swap motors after work today too

shutter but I thought we were gon put in the 2jayz in ur rig after tea easy peasy :(


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