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Andreas83 02-13-2015 11:55 AM

Skunk2 ultra radiator
 
Does anyone have any info on this radiator with liquid2liquid oil cooler buildt into the end tank?
This looks similar to what robispec made before.
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...qLmWkBA9wWvbtD
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/data:...ICIiAiIg//2Q==
Found some info here: http://www.ft86speedfactory.com/skun...oler-1965.html
Cant find anything about it on http://eu.skunk2.com/

aznatama 02-13-2015 12:01 PM

can't see any pics and link doesn't work, but aren't some AT radiators like this for AT fluid cooling?

Andreas83 02-13-2015 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by aznatama (Post 2131059)
can't see any pics and link doesn't work, but aren't some AT radiators like this for AT fluid cooling?

Try the links now.
AT radiators have a AT oil cooler some times.
But I think this is for motor oil.

aznatama 02-13-2015 01:08 PM

Transmission oil, motor oil, same thing.

Seems like a good option instead of a separate oil cooler, especially if you just need a slight boot in cooling capacity. What's your purpose for it?

yomny 02-13-2015 01:25 PM

Defenitely interested.. not sure if Skunk is as good as koyo but the integration of the oil cooler is a nice plus. It doesn't come with fittings or anything right, not specific to frs/brz?

DAEMANO 02-13-2015 01:29 PM

@KraftWerks any additional info, installed/ation pics, specifications (weight, dimensions), hardware requirements, fittings etc would be greatly appreciated.

kbye 02-13-2015 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by yomny (Post 2131223)
Defenitely interested.. not sure if Skunk is as good as koyo but the integration of the oil cooler is a nice plus. It doesn't come with fittings or anything right, not specific to frs/brz?

Interestingly enough, FT86SF lists it as manufactured by koyo. Not sure if it's a typo.
I would wager that the oil lines, fittings, sandwich plate, etc are bought separately. It would be nice if it was all packaged together, though.

Looks like a good alternative to robispec which had some production and clearance issues.

yomny 02-13-2015 01:31 PM

Seems Speedfactory has them but still no fittings or anything made to work as a direct fit with our cars.. im sure its not hard at all to get some fittings and lines sorted out.

yomny 02-13-2015 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by kbye (Post 2131239)
Interestingly enough, FT86SF lists it as manufactured by koyo. Not sure if it's a typo.
I would wager that the oil lines, fittings, sandwich plate, etc are bought separately. It would be nice if it was all packaged together, though.

Looks like a good alternative to robispec which had some production and clearance issues.

Shouldn't be hard to source the parts for the install knowing the fitting size coming off the radiator. I just recently had all the parts needed karted in the autoraceparts webiste for my own diy oil cooler. I did see the koyo manufacturer on their site, does provide more peace of mind and sure beats the $1K+ price tag on the robispec. Also seems that just the ultra model is made by Koyo, i'm confirming this with them.

Andreas83 02-13-2015 02:13 PM

Here is a pic of the robispec radiator.
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...ps8af90fdb.jpg
I am installing a kraftwerks C38 kit, the ultra radiator combined with this adapter would make the install alot easier.
Then I would not have to worry about fitting a oil cooler in the front as well.
This sandwich adapter does not have a thermostat.
So its perfect for a liquid/liquid cooler. And it clears the C38 kit.
http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NjQ5WDgwMA...T6Vji/$_57.JPG

AlexBinJackson 02-14-2015 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Andreas83 (Post 2131322)
Here is a pic of the robispec radiator.

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...ps8af90fdb.jpg

I am installing a kraftwerks C38 kit, the ultra radiator combined with this adapter would make the install alot easier.

Then I would not have to worry about fitting a oil cooler in the front as well.

This sandwich adapter does not have a thermostat.

So its perfect for a liquid/liquid cooler. And it clears the C38 kit.

http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NjQ5WDgwMA...T6Vji/$_57.JPG


A word of warning when thinking about dealing with robispec

I would suggest to find a different route

SPCorBUST 02-14-2015 02:20 AM

this would be nice. i was actually hoping to go the robispec route, but this might work. cheers to someone else as the guinea pig though :thumbsup:

AlexBinJackson 02-14-2015 02:35 AM

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Originally Posted by SPCorBUST (Post 2132060)
this would be nice. i was actually hoping to go the robispec route, but this might work. cheers to someone else as the guinea pig though :thumbsup:


I have a koyo rad and perrin oil cooler work great so far for now but do plan on supercharging soon and will figure a way for oil cooler to fit, I was a guinea pig for Robi and that didn't work out too well.

SPCorBUST 02-14-2015 02:51 AM

i think you might be fine with those - several KW and JR kit folks are using similar setups with success. you can pop into the owners threads in the forced induction section and ask, i think both threads are pretty helpful in that regard.

just be careful of the kool-aid. seems like you "have" to be one camp or the other in those threads, consumer due diligence seems to be frowned upon.

AlexBinJackson 02-14-2015 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by SPCorBUST (Post 2132080)
i think you might be fine with those - several KW and JR kit folks are using similar setups with success. you can pop into the owners threads in the forced induction section and ask, i think both threads are pretty helpful in that regard.

just be careful of the kool-aid. seems like you "have" to be one camp or the other in those threads, consumer due diligence seems to be frowned upon.


Noticed you sold ur kW kit due to carb and I'm in the same boat. Still waiting for cosworth to see if they go carb if they don't most probably will be Jackson racing

Andreas83 02-14-2015 03:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexBinJackson (Post 2131956)
A word of warning when thinking about dealing with robispec

I would suggest to find a different route

I was considering a robispec radiator when i got the car.
But based on feedback on this forum i never ordered one.
The solution itself seems to work very good.
But the downside was delivery time was way to long, people had issues with leaks and bad customer service in general.

I might pull the trigger on the Skunk2 ultra radiator.
But i would like some more info on it.
Stuff like fitting sizes etc.

I am installing a kraftwerks kit, solutions that avoids having to stack even more coolers in the front would make the install alot cleaner.

I am currently using a mocal laminova cooler, it has worked great for me NA.
But i think it will be to small for a FI application.
I really like using liquid2liquid coolers, they heat the oil up faster on startup.
Overcooling wintertime is not an issue.
Hoses can be alot shorter compared to a air cooled setup.

Ultramaroon 02-14-2015 03:22 AM

http://store.skunk2.com/brz-frs-ultr...-radiator.html

Decay107 02-14-2015 03:34 AM

In for any testing data, might go this route if it proves effective. I am a starting to overwhelm the Perrin oil cooler on track.

Ultramaroon 02-14-2015 03:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Ultramaroon (Post 2132105)

I'm not loving the design and welding of the mounting tabs. Look like stress risers right at the weld. No buttress. Pass.

SPCorBUST 02-14-2015 05:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexBinJackson (Post 2132081)
Noticed you sold ur kW kit due to carb and I'm in the same boat. Still waiting for cosworth to see if they go carb if they don't most probably will be Jackson racing

actually i didn't sell it yet. i do have a thread up, but i think i've only bumped it once or twice. i'm pretty much waiting for CARB approval, but I don't think that's ever gonna happen, so i'm just starting to think about dumping the kit in earnest.

i've ridden and driven both the KW and JR kits now, would be interested in hearing your experience switching kits to JR or Cosworth when it comes time. perhaps even Vortech...?

AlexBinJackson 02-15-2015 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SPCorBUST (Post 2132167)
actually i didn't sell it yet. i do have a thread up, but i think i've only bumped it once or twice. i'm pretty much waiting for CARB approval, but I don't think that's ever gonna happen, so i'm just starting to think about dumping the kit in earnest.



i've ridden and driven both the KW and JR kits now, would be interested in hearing your experience switching kits to JR or Cosworth when it comes time. perhaps even Vortech...?


Ya will keep u updated on the route I take but will be avoiding vortech for sure but the three options are Jackson, Cosworth and edelbrock. Not in a rush, and it keeps me in street class for the cup which is good

SPCorBUST 02-15-2015 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexBinJackson (Post 2133237)
Ya will keep u updated on the route I take but will be avoiding vortech for sure but the three options are Jackson, Cosworth and edelbrock. Not in a rush, and it keeps me in street class for the cup which is good

I think forced induction is okay for street class. I'll be at the cup event in a couple weeks, so I've been considering putting the kit back on temporarily.

AlexBinJackson 02-15-2015 03:14 PM

I think it's modified class if I'm not mistaken I will be at button willow on 28 of feb

yomny 02-24-2015 10:28 PM

So the radiator comes with a place to cool the oil but no lines and or oil filter adapter? anyone out the develop an oil cooler kit to go with this?

DAN_BRZ 03-05-2015 02:13 PM

i called skunk2, as was thinking of running this instead of a separate oil cooling but now im confused. scott told me this is for the transmission?? anyone running this as an motor oil cooler? maybe @KraftWerks can give us some more info on this product...

kbye 03-05-2015 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DAN_BRZ (Post 2157353)
i called skunk2, as was thinking of running this instead of a separate oil cooling but now im confused. scott told me this is for the transmission?? anyone running this as an motor oil cooler? maybe @KraftWerks can give us some more info on this product...

maybe he means you can run the lines to the factory heat exchanger on automatic transmission models to effectively act as an auto tranny cooler. But I don't see any reason why this can't be used as an oil cooler as well.

yomny 03-05-2015 02:37 PM

lol.. seems they're not interested in pushing their product, so little information I wouldn't want to deal with an RMA or some sort of problem. I'm sure you could use this to cool whatever you'd like.

DAN_BRZ 03-05-2015 02:50 PM

honestly that what i figured, but scott doesnt really to know what he is talking about, not bashing the guy but he gave vague answers and left me totally confused afterwards.

DAN_BRZ 03-05-2015 02:51 PM

i wanted to go this route instead of adding a separate air cooler for a cleaner install.

Weapon86 03-16-2015 04:20 PM

I emailed two vendors about this specific radiator. So the sales rep from fteightysix.com said they called skunk2 and said it can be used as a transmission cooler or engine oil cooler.

CS rep from ft86speedfactory.com said its only for engine oil cooler.

Weapon86 03-16-2015 05:12 PM

Not trying to put them on blast or anything. But im hoping i can use the built in oil cooler for the transmission coz auto trans tend to overheat at the track really fast. And use a separate oil cooler for the engine. My oil temp went up to 257°F on a cold windy trackday.

KGFRS86 03-16-2015 06:33 PM

I have a Setrab core cooler for my AT, still need to get an oil cooler for my engine..
@Weapon86 this is a good read, and the company I got my cooler kit from for my AT:

http://starkperformanceparts.com/pro...lopment-part-1
http://starkperformanceparts.com/pro...lopment-part-2
http://starkperformanceparts.com/pro...lopment-part-3

These guys know their stuff. I had them do the install for me since I'm local, and they know stuff WAY over my head.

Weapon86 03-16-2015 09:43 PM

how much did it cost you with the install? And are you taking the car to the track too?

i noticed stark performace AT cooler is using the same core as perrin oil cooler so im assuming the built in oil cooler on the skunk2 ultra would work the same way? Same thing as one of the sales rep told me.

86SPEED 03-16-2015 09:58 PM

According to CJ At Skunk, It could be used as either. It would work just as efficiently as a engine oil cooler or Trans cooler. He did not tell me, i didnt ask to be honest, if it was primarily designed to be a engine oil cooler. I would assume it was designed as a trans cooler as thats more common in a radiator then engine oil cooling, but thats just an assumption. I have installed the radiator on a car with a C38 kit, but we just plugged the cooler for now until the owner has an appointment at the local Hose fitting shop for custom lines. I plan on running this same radiator on my C38 equipped car also so im going to have 2 set of lines made. i can get more made if someone wants get a kit from us. I will say this is a huge.. HUGE radiator. it took a little work to get it in and the hood closed, but some of that was due to the intake pipe for the Blower. so far the radiator has not even come close to getting hot. even trying to beat on it temps get a degree or 2 above the tstat then immediately drop back down. I plan on running the fan cooled Mishimoto trans cooler but maybe ill try this and then a separate engine oil cooler..

-Thomas

KGFRS86 03-16-2015 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Weapon86 (Post 2171719)
how much did it cost you with the install? And are you taking the car to the track too?

i noticed stark performace AT cooler is using the same core as perrin oil cooler so im assuming the built in oil cooler on the skunk2 ultra would work the same way? Same thing as one of the sales rep told me.

I got an Intro price due to being one of the first 5 customers. I cannot disclose it unfortunately :\

But Setrab is super high quality, and definitely go for the thermostatic option. Michael knows his stuff. I don't know if they'll do other installs (idk if mine was a one-off) but it wouldn't hurt to ask him.

Weapon86 03-16-2015 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fteightysix (Post 2171740)
According to CJ At Skunk, It could be used as either. It would work just as efficiently as a engine oil cooler or Trans cooler. He did not tell me, i didnt ask to be honest, if it was primarily designed to be a engine oil cooler. I would assume it was designed as a trans cooler as thats more common in a radiator then engine oil cooling, but thats just an assumption. I have installed the radiator on a car with a C38 kit, but we just plugged the cooler for now until the owner has an appointment at the local Hose fitting shop for custom lines. I plan on running this same radiator on my C38 equipped car also so im going to have 2 set of lines made. i can get more made if someone wants get a kit from us. I will say this is a huge.. HUGE radiator. it took a little work to get it in and the hood closed, but some of that was due to the intake pipe for the Blower. so far the radiator has not even come close to getting hot. even trying to beat on it temps get a degree or 2 above the tstat then immediately drop back down. I plan on running the fan cooled Mishimoto trans cooler but maybe ill try this and then a separate engine oil cooler..

-Thomas

im planning to run the same setup with the separate engine oil cooler too. can you include lines for AT transmission to the oil cooler built-in to the radiator?

DAN_BRZ 03-17-2015 12:23 AM

I ordered this rad and will be installing in 3 weeks. I'll post pictures of the install. If anyone installs this before please share what fitting they used for the upper port.

Andreas83 03-30-2015 08:55 PM

Has anyone figured out how to hook up the oil lines?
I have been offshore working alot lately, have not had the time to install it..

Andreas83 03-31-2015 09:53 PM

I just got a reply from skunk2 to confirm what sort of threads the oil ports have.
I was told that its 3/4-16 SAE.
This was also mentioned in another thread, I just wanted to double check.
If I am not mistaking its a fitting with straight threads that seal on a O-ring.

I think I have found a 90deg hose end from fragola that bolts straight on.
It looks compact enough to do the job, but of course I could be wrong...

http://www.race-mart.com/thumbnail.a...axx=300&maxy=0

Hopefully it will fit, and be a better option then using crossovers and give fewer potential leak points.

wparsons 03-31-2015 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DAN_BRZ (Post 2171895)
I ordered this rad and will be installing in 3 weeks. I'll post pictures of the install. If anyone installs this before please share what fitting they used for the upper port.

I've been looking into this as well, but you'll definitely beat me to getting one and installing it. I haven't had time to do much of anything lately.

I'm interested to hear how effective it is compared to a quality air cooled cooler with track use.


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