the frs/brz is already plenty fast.
 

now, if you are a regular at your local track or you spend a lot of time at the test and tune at your dragstrip this doesnt apply to you. and if you are a young carefree kid who doesn't have a career, wife or family yet i suppose this also doesn't apply to you.

but as an full fledged adult with adult things to do and family members to tend to and without time to oh, say, spend the day in jail on a reckless driving charge i can't possibly imagine how someone gets to the point where they think that the brz/frs is slow.

i've test driven both an FRS and BRZ and got to above legal speeds quite fast with both of them, thankyouverymuch. They feel just as fast/quick as my old 1995 mustang GT, which had 225 horsepower back then but probably carried an extra 500 lbs. (it also has just about the same quarter mile time and trap speed, as an aside) i managed to quickly get in front of traffic and do some things that probably were outside of the bounds of legal pretty easily.

in fact, id never call it fast but my current 100 and change horsepower honda civic has only made me feel uncomfortably slow in three merge into traffic situations over the span of five years of ownership.

so sure, a v6 camry has more horsepower! but try to use that extra horsepower in any meaningful way on a public road and odds are mister john q law will have something to say to you. not to mention that i doubt that more than a few percent of the driving populace has the driving skills necessary to even use half of the horsepower that any of their cars might have in the first place.

anyways, rant over..

Cool story, bro.

For a modern day sports car they are slow in a straight line... End of story.

I agree that the twins are "fast enough" for normal daily driving. But as this is an enthusiast forum (or tuner forum if you will), you'll see plenty of the "need more powah" comments.

the 4th, and most of the 5th generation mustangs were slow in stock configuration. Even the 4th gen cobra was only turning out mid 13 1/4 mile times. (which is very fast, don't get me wrong. But today's base model pony really puts it in perspective.)

sure. when was the last time you were in a public road and used whatever 'extra' power your car or setup has over a stock brz in a straight line?

The car is slower than a damn turtle. Lets all be honest with ourselves....It looks great, is lightweight, handles great, is a blast to drive and is slow as f*ck.

just did a quick 40-120 pull in my 400whp Neon yesterday :thumbsup:

Just remember many (not all) super cars of the 1970s had 0-60 times in the 6-7 second range. It was fast then. It's still fast now.

Lol let's hope he is....Are we in the 70's?

I would call my BRZ, "Peppy" in speed.

Can it beat a six or eight cylinder Mustang (or whatever) in a straight line? Of course not - but then those cars are generally 10Gs+ more expensive.

I can easily out-accelerate (from a stop) most of the cars on the road today. And unless I'm up against a Corvette or something very high end, I can outmaneuver most anything I come across.

For the money, the BRZ is a peppy sports car that will outmaneuver most anything on the road.

If you want anything close to quick... don't buy a BRZ/FRS... they are down right painfully slow. Your average sedan (Toyota / Honda) will easily outrun them. And don't even ask about torque... lol.

Being 30 years old and married with a full time job.. I think I fit OP's description, and it is too damn slow. Every morning I have to merge onto a 65mph highway behind idiots that are going 45mph. The day that I can jump into that 65+ lane with 0 concern of cutting someone off is the day my BRZ will no longer be considered "slow".

Stock, it's a peppy fun little car, but it is not a fast car. I still love it no matter what.

No they aren't.. I saw a 2014 Mustang v6 premium with 6k miles for the exact same price I paid for my 2013 BRZ Limited with 15k miles. They are very close in price.

it's 0-60 is slow, but in 3rd gear it will hang with just about anything that isn't pumping at least +300 HP or you're just driving wrong. I see a lot of hate against the speed of the BRZ but I have pulled on every GT mustang up to 2003 with ease, and hung with a 335 from a 65mph start, is it going to beat much in a 1/4 from a dead stop? nope, i have had 2 911 Porsche both 996. An R32 an SLK 32 AMG, and none of them will put a smile on my face like this BRZ

I understand OP but like others said BRZ is slow for these days comparing to other sporty cars.

Definitely. When compared to other sporty cars or family cars/minivans, perhaps even some semis

I like the car for the handling and all around balance not for power. I have a car for that and I'd wager on a tight twisty road the "slow" BRZ would leave my GTR behind. Comparatively, my screwdriver sucks at driving nails.

:thumbsup:

The BRZ excels in maneuverability, not speed. I've gone around 45mph turns at almost 80. It would probably do better if I pushed it. Most cars can't do that.

>>>No they aren't.. I saw a 2014 Mustang v6 premium with 6k miles for the exact same price I paid for my 2013 BRZ Limited with 15k miles. They are very close in price. <<<

I don't know about used prices, but when I was pricing new cars last April the Mustang I looked at was 10Gs higher than the BRZ I ended up getting - and the Mustang wasn't anything special.

I looked at a new Corvette at my dealer last week - $87,000. My BRZ cost 25. Helluva price to pay for maneuverability AND speed. I'm happy with the "slow" BRZ.

dafuq are you smoking? Or better yet your Ford dealer?

http://www.ford.com/cars/mustang/models/

Those are the brand new models with independant rear suspension mind you, significant upgrade from the '14 and priors. Sure in other countries Mustangs are outrageously priced but in the USA and Canada Ford wallops the Toyobaru for performance per dollar.

It's slow, but fun. Lots of cars I've owned were like this, but they were designed in the 1980's. If you consider the inflation, those cars were a lot more expensive back then compared to ours. To be able to get a 200hp sports car for $25k is pretty darn awesome. Everyone loves to compare the S2000 to our car; well that car cost $32k in 2000 which is about $44k in today's dollars.

Considering some other cars I owned:

1987 Toyota MR2 112hp: ~$27k in 2014 dollars
1990 Mazda RX-7 Turbo II 203hp: ~$40k in 2014 dollars
1991 BMW 318is 134hp: ~$40k in 2014 dollars
1994 Toyota MR2 Turbo 200hp: ~$45k in 2014 dollars

I don't think you can beat the FR-S/BRZ for new car bang-for-buck!

first i want to say that threads like these make me laugh.

nobody in their right mind has time for this. ^

good rant, i understand where your coming from, it has plenty of power for daily driving and even for canyon runs. who needs 400whp on the street anyways? woo i can go 0 to the speed limit faster than you but i bet i get another exhibition of speed ticket if doing so. (such a bullshit ticket btw, especially if i dont spin the tires) this car has many bolt on options to add power for those who crave the power and have the time and money to upgrade. i only plan to keep my car for 2-3 years then upgrade to the next new toy so i dont particularly need moar power from the twins.

now for all you who are comparing mustangs to twins your not even comparing the same style of car. its like apples and cucumbers. :bonk: one was made for drag strips and straight lines more so than the twisty back roads that the twins are amazingly fun to drive through. every car is made for different purposes and the twins, imo, have a decent amount of power for a daily driver and have plenty of hidden talents for the exciting weekend drives.

I think OP is confusing being an adult with being super boring and judgemental.

im suprised he doesnt have his fuelly tag and bragging about his mpg driving the way he does.

They may not be the fastest thing out there but bang for the buck they are lot of fun.

Lemme know if that pony/muscle/wannabe super car leaves you giggling while ripping a country road late at night within ten (or so) percent of the posted speed limit while getting 29mpg. Fast? No. Fun? You bet.

i drove a 2nd gen prius for 7 years. i feel like im driving a formula one racecar compared to that slow piece. one of the best parts is the lack of body roll in the twins (especially blue series)

What part of, "... when I was pricing new cars last April the Mustang I looked at was 10Gs higher than the BRZ I ended up getting - and the Mustang wasn't anything special" do you not understand?

Perhaps I got a really good price on the BRZ, but that was the price difference for the car I looked at.

So why the hostility?

I traded my 2013 Golf-R for the BRZ huge difference in power and torque, even the trade value was $2k more than my out the door price for my BRZ, but I bought the BRZ anyway.

As much as I loved the R, I love everything about the BRZ even more. I'm more than satisfied with my purchase.

I don't understand why so many are dissatisfied with the "lack of HP/Tq", yet bought a twin anyway??? :iono:

BTW, I bought the BRZ over a new Audi S5.

maybe they thought the car had a governor mode on while test driving and would have twice as much hp as soon as they signed the deal.

I'm not personally dissatisfied with the power. However, I'm also just being honest. It's a slow, but fun car.

once you drive it for a little while you learn the feel of your rpms but i just cruise around somewhere between 3-5k and the throttle response is there. below 3k there is a major lack of power so just dont drive that low haha

We aren't arguing the fact that this car isn't a blast to drive at stock power levels. We also aren't saying it needs more power. OP said the car is fast and that is simply false.

I mean our cars are notorious for being slow lol

uhhhh, what GTR do you have? The PGC10?

I bet even a 2CV is fast enough to get you into trouble with the law if you can get it to the top of a canyon road and turn around. Speed limits are frustratingly low.

The 86 isn't a fast car: it's got almost 14lbs/hp. It's about as fast as a 911 SC from the eighties (and even that car has more torque). When you start getting under 10lbs/hp, you're starting to have a quick car. To qualify as a fast car these days, you'll need a lot fewer pounds/hp than that.

I agree that the 86 doesn't "need" more power for street driving, but it could sure make good use of additional power. I'll probably try and nudge mine in the direction of 10lbs/hp at some point. That said, I don't mind the way the car is now: it's nice to have a car where you can use full throttle frequently and you have to work for your pace.

Comparing it to an S2000 is unfair. That's like comparing a Camaro to a Corvette.

I've caught plenty of GT500s and Z06s on the track driving my stock BRZ. Sure it doesn't pull hard in a straight line, but driving straight seems pretty boring to me.

It's probably because you are making a claim that is just plain not true. Your story simply doesn't add up. You are leaving something out. FRS, BRZ, and Mustang that's "not special" are in the same price range. It's common knowledge to all of us that have shopped around for sports cars.

I understand the general sentiment, but let's be clear, nobody in here is complaining. We are simply stating the truth. It doesn't mean we aren't happy with our decision, it just means we disagree that it's a "fast" car.

Besides, many of us buy the car knowing it's slow with the intention of modding to compensate. I'm planning on bumping mine up about 30whp because I think that's what will satisfy me. If stock satisfies you, great, good for you, but you don't need to be a **** about it. This thread is pointless and will just result in flaming.

Just boost and have the best of both worlds

The BRZ reminds me of my old 600 bike. I would get smoked in the straights and reel in the liter bikes in the corner. Sure, they knew they could pull away in the next straight, but their body language was funny. I know when my headlight popped back into their mirror through the corners it was pissing them off.

After owning and driving many cars including V8s , the BRZ is faster overall on the road.
Taking into account it's size , braking , cornering and wet roads.
Hot hatch FWDs and V8s just can't get enough traction and that is just wasted horsepower.
Yes on a dry racetrack the 86/BRZ needs more power and grip , but what % of driving is track time?