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Drakelee117 01-22-2015 08:32 PM

All the parts that could potentially increase the reliability of a superchared BRZ?
 
I've been tempting to go FI since the day I got the BRZ last year, and reliability is the biggest reason that's holding me back. I know there is a lot of discussion about what's the safest tune and there is no definite answer to that question: some people are doing fine with 400 whp while others have engine failure at 200 whp and stuff like that.

Personally I think I will be shooting for 280-300 whp on 93 Octane and stay CARB legal with all the mods. So here is the questions, what are the aftermarket parts that could at least minimize the chance of an engine failure? Radiator, oil cooler, CAI, upgraded fluids, oil catch can, maybe even a racing clutch? Anything I missed?

Whatabouteggs 01-22-2015 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Drakelee117 (Post 2101933)
racing clutch?

Some 9:1 pistons and a good tuner.

Really all the failures have been blamed on the tune as far as I know. That's the #1 thing.

kbogarto 01-22-2015 09:02 PM

I second the tune as most important for reliability. You can get a tune with a lot of failsafes built in. Catch can and oil cooler probably not bad ideas.

kbogarto 01-22-2015 09:03 PM

Is E85 considered more reliable since it is more knock resistant???

chaoscentral 01-22-2015 09:58 PM

1 heat range colder spark plugs would be a recommendation. Those were basically a requirement when I supercharged my 2006 Mustang GT as they help prevent detonation on pump gas.

Drakelee117 01-22-2015 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by kbogarto (Post 2101962)
Is E85 considered more reliable since it is more knock resistant???

I thought E85 is not CARB legal? I am no expert but I feel like people usually use e85 with a more aggressive tuning so it might be rougher for the engine?

Drakelee117 01-22-2015 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Whatabouteggs (Post 2101937)
Some 9:1 pistons and a good tuner.

Really all the failures have been blamed on the tune as far as I know. That's the #1 thing.

So what exactly is the difference between tunes? If I just get the supercharger kit with all the maps developed by Perrin or something like that included would there be problems?

sw20kosh 01-23-2015 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Drakelee117 (Post 2102079)
I thought E85 is not CARB legal? I am no expert but I feel like people usually use e85 with a more aggressive tuning so it might be rougher for the engine?

People use E85 to operate an engine without much worry of knock. You can make more power at the same boost level than with gasoline due to the increased octane and the E85 cools down the combustion chamber and charge air going into it.

People CAN use E85 to significantly raise the boost level and make bucket loads of power but it is not the only reason.

Running on E85 is considered safer as long as your tuner is competent.

sw20kosh 01-23-2015 12:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drakelee117 (Post 2101933)
I've been tempting to go FI since the day I got the BRZ last year, and reliability is the biggest reason that's holding me back. I know there is a lot of discussion about what's the safest tune and there is no definite answer to that question: some people are doing fine with 400 whp while others have engine failure at 200 whp and stuff like that.

Personally I think I will be shooting for 280-300 whp on 93 Octane and stay CARB legal with all the mods. So here is the questions, what are the aftermarket parts that could at least minimize the chance of an engine failure? Radiator, oil cooler, CAI, upgraded fluids, oil catch can, maybe even a racing clutch? Anything I missed?

Stock radiator doesn't need changing.

tahdizzle 01-23-2015 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Drakelee117 (Post 2102079)
I thought E85 is not CARB legal? I am no expert but I feel like people usually use e85 with a more aggressive tuning so it might be rougher for the engine?

E85 us readily available at many stations all over California.

BlueLeader 01-26-2015 12:07 AM

Racing clutch? Unless you're driving like you're racing on a daily basis, I think a stage 1 will suffice if you have a modest tune or 2 clutch if more aggresive. This way a hardier clutch won't wear so fast compared to stock. I suggest staying away from puck clutches unless you want to hate driving stick. :)

Drakelee117 01-26-2015 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by BlueLeader (Post 2105282)
Racing clutch? Unless you're driving like you're racing on a daily basis, I think a stage 1 will suffice if you have a modest tune or 2 clutch if more aggresive. This way a hardier clutch won't wear so fast compared to stock. I suggest staying away from puck clutches unless you want to hate driving stick. :)

I haven't done much research about racing clutches, what do they do exactly? I know they tend to bite the transmission harder, but what does it mean to driver? RPM drops faster? Easier to stall the car?

BlueLeader 01-26-2015 10:50 PM

Read this from hotrod mag: http://www.hotrod.com/how-to/transmi...clutch-basics/

basically if you're gonna FI your car, you probably will want an upgraded street clutch. A racing clutch will be made of material overkill for your specs unless you're running dragster power. Also, some clutches are pucked, meaning they are not continuous, and is basically an on and off switch. In addition, they usually will pair it with a stiffer pressure plate so you'll need to hit 24 hr fitness and do some calf raises just to press your clutch. I had an evo and made the mistake of putting a 6-puck clutch on it with a heavier pressure plate. made the commute to LA want me to run the car into a ditch and just walk. So yes, most likely harder to drive and easier to stall. So if you want to keep your car reliable, you need not go overboard.

stylsh 01-26-2015 10:53 PM

Choose the clutch that is suited to the amount of torque your car will probably make. There is no point in buying a stupidly stiff, multiplated or puck clutch of you are going to run a turbo with a stock engine. Unless you have plans on making big power with a built engine later on.

Alltezza 01-26-2015 11:57 PM

Did you change your spark plugs? When you got your Supercharger installed?

350matt 01-27-2015 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by chaoscentral (Post 2102024)
1 heat range colder spark plugs would be a recommendation. Those were basically a requirement when I supercharged my 2006 Mustang GT as they help prevent detonation on pump gas.


you can't 'em

the stock plug is as cold as you can get

BlueLeader 01-27-2015 10:57 AM

ZXE27HBR8 is our oem spark plug. Denso. heat range 9. You can go colder but you may not need to. Its pretty damn cold for 200 hp car. The plugs can handle a boosted frs.

Koa 01-27-2015 11:01 AM

Forester XT oil cooler retrofit. Best $130 you'd ever spend on the longevity of your engine

SkAsphalt 01-27-2015 11:14 AM

a LS7

Drakelee117 01-27-2015 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Alltezza (Post 2106606)
Did you change your spark plugs? When you got your Supercharger installed?

I am still at the planning stage, really tempted but afraid of the consequence. Especially I don't have the best of luck personally when it comes to mechanics. Personally I am always the one that has random problems that are 90% not my fault.

BlueLeader 01-27-2015 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Koa (Post 2107033)
Forester XT oil cooler retrofit. Best $130 you'd ever spend on the longevity of your engine

Oooh. Never heard about that. Sounds like a worthy upgrade.

Koa 01-27-2015 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by BlueLeader (Post 2107214)
Oooh. Never heard about that. Sounds like a worthy upgrade.


http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=73684

You NEED these two:

21311AA170 - OIL COOLER, COMPLETE
21317AA070 - CONNECTOR, OIL COOLER

How you want to route is up to you. The thread/video I pasted above routes to the throttle body coolant res lines (turbo guys typically tap into this to cool their snails). The connections are not 1:1, and some say the disparity between the oil cooler and TB diameters will affect performance.

However, as evidenced by the video and others who went this route, the performance is close to or exactly like the alternative option, which would be to tap into the block.. lots more parts and headaches.

Alltezza 01-27-2015 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Drakelee117 (Post 2107185)
I am still at the planning stage, really tempted but afraid of the consequence. Especially I don't have the best of luck personally when it comes to mechanics. Personally I am always the one that has random problems that are 90% not my fault.

I read somewhere that when you boost your car, you gotta install new spark plugs that are like 1 level colder, and they recommended some spark plugs but I saw that a lot of people love this particular spark plug.

http://www.redline360.com/hks-spark-...rz-50003-M45HL

I'm about to head to work but you can probably look into this on your free time.

BlueLeader 01-27-2015 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Alltezza (Post 2107485)
I read somewhere that when you boost your car, you gotta install new spark plugs that are like 1 level colder, and they recommended some spark plugs but I saw that a lot of people love this particular spark plug.

http://www.redline360.com/hks-spark-...rz-50003-M45HL

I'm about to head to work but you can probably look into this on your free time.

It wouldn't hurt but probably not totally necessary. Not sure why subaru tossed those on a non boosted 200hp car, but its very high grade plug for this car.

kaluce 01-30-2015 11:56 AM

While I might be talking out of my ass, Subaru probably intended for this car to be mildly boosted as an upgraded model from the get go, which would explain some of their design choices. Plus, all of their other models are turbo equipped, so I wouldn't be surprised if they did it out of habit.

BlueLeader 01-30-2015 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by kaluce (Post 2111732)
While I might be talking out of my ass, Subaru probably intended for this car to be mildly boosted as an upgraded model from the get go, which would explain some of their design choices. Plus, all of their other models are turbo equipped, so I wouldn't be surprised if they did it out of habit.

Well hey i ain't complaining hehe. Less stufg we need to buy makes it easier to upgrade in terms of boost.

Gopherboy6956 05-20-2015 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by sw20kosh (Post 2102200)
Stock radiator doesn't need changing.

I would change it if you're going FI and tracking. Have you seen the stock radiator? Its about as thin as a AA battery. I Changed it, and I highly recommend it along with the Oil cooler - again IF you are going to track.

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Originally Posted by BlueLeader (Post 2105282)
Racing clutch? Unless you're driving like you're racing on a daily basis, I think a stage 1 will suffice if you have a modest tune or 2 clutch if more aggresive. This way a hardier clutch won't wear so fast compared to stock. I suggest staying away from puck clutches unless you want to hate driving stick. :)

On my vortech kit on stock pulley, tuned to 275/hp 199/tq the stock clutch started slipping at 10k miles. The stage 1 exedy clutch only holds 203tq and the wheels, while the stage two holds 224. So, might as well do Stage 2 if you're going to do it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drakelee117 (Post 2105517)
I haven't done much research about racing clutches, what do they do exactly? I know they tend to bite the transmission harder, but what does it mean to driver? RPM drops faster? Easier to stall the car?

Holds more power. Negatives are that the engagement is less smooth because you have less friction surfaces. I'd compare it to this in terms of engagement:

Stock clutch = Dimmer light switch
Race clutch = On/Off light switch

Otherwise it's just holding power.

fika84 05-20-2015 03:10 PM

I guess maybe they could still be interested 4 months later... at least it's in 2015.

Gopherboy6956 05-20-2015 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by fika84 (Post 2256290)
I guess maybe they could still be interested 4 months later... at least it's in 2015.

lol you can always add reliable mods down the road!

CSG Mike 05-20-2015 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Gopherboy6956 (Post 2256271)
I would change it if you're going FI and tracking. Have you seen the stock radiator? Its about as thin as a AA battery. I Changed it, and I highly recommend it along with the Oil cooler - again IF you are going to track.



On my vortech kit on stock pulley, tuned to 275/hp 199/tq the stock clutch started slipping at 10k miles. The stage 1 exedy clutch only holds 203tq and the wheels, while the stage two holds 224. So, might as well do Stage 2 if you're going to do it.



Holds more power. Negatives are that the engagement is less smooth because you have less friction surfaces. I'd compare it to this in terms of engagement:

Stock clutch = Dimmer light switch
Race clutch = On/Off light switch

Otherwise it's just holding power.

Have you actually seen your stock radiator overheat?

Our preferred method is to add fans.

Gopherboy6956 05-20-2015 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by CSG Mike (Post 2256340)
Have you actually seen your stock radiator overheat?

Our preferred method is to add fans.

I looked at it once, and it was like "Bro dude, i'm so hot" so i was like, ON IT.

No - I added it there for more of a precaution than a requirement.

sw20kosh 05-20-2015 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gopherboy6956 (Post 2256271)
I would change it if you're going FI and tracking. Have you seen the stock radiator? Its about as thin as a AA battery. I Changed it, and I highly recommend it along with the Oil cooler - again IF you are going to track.

Nope. We have been tracking and competing on stock radiator for almost 2 years while FI @ 300+ whp turbo. It may look thin but what you don't realize is a thin radiator has less restriction to airflow through it than a thick radiator. This car has issues with airflow through the frontal opening due to a sealed engine bay and a giant crash beam in the way of incoming airflow.

You cannot just make assumptions on how a part looks. You have to actually test it to see how it performs. In this case, a dinky small radiator actually performs beyond expectations based on its appearance.

Gopherboy6956 05-20-2015 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by sw20kosh (Post 2256512)
Nope. We have been tracking and competing on stock radiator for almost 2 years while FI @ 300+ whp turbo. It may look thin but what you don't realize is a thin radiator has less restriction to airflow through it than a thick radiator. This car has issues with airflow through the frontal opening due to a sealed engine bay and a giant crash beam in the way of incoming airflow.

You cannot just make assumptions on how a part looks. You have to actually test it to see how it performs. In this case, a dinky small radiator actually performs beyond expectations based on its appearance.

Well then.


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