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Vitamin-R 01-07-2015 02:08 PM

Vordoven Forme 9 18x9.5 et34
 
I ordered a set of Vordoven Forme9 in 18x9.5 et34 on black friday. Got an amazing deal as they were still taking preorders. It did take a month for the wheels to arrive, but it was totally worth it.

18x9.5 et34 Vordoven Forme 9 in hypersilver

255/35/18 Bridgestone Turanza ER33 (rubs on uturns, hard turns, and hard bumps. switching to 235/40 today)

ST Coilovers (lowered all the way up front, 13 turns up in the rear. -1.7/-1.9* camber in front -2.7/-2.9* camber in rear)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...ps3ec780f7.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...ps5703f33e.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...ps83ed6664.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...ps8a9cd1ee.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...psfdc92e05.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...ps4948647a.jpg

swarb 01-07-2015 02:42 PM

Looks good! I want a set, but I cant decide between 235/40(slightly tall) or 225/40(slightly stretched) and hyper silver or hyper black on a silver brz. What are you using for camber adjustment in the front? Natural camber in the rear?

Vitamin-R 01-07-2015 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by swarb (Post 2081094)
Looks good! I want a set, but I cant decide between 235/40(slightly tall) or 225/40(slightly stretched) and hyper silver or hyper black on a silver brz. What are you using for camber adjustment in the front? Natural camber in the rear?

I honestly am not sure if the 235/40 will fit yet. I will let you know how it goes. What suspension are you on? The ST coils are slotted so I just used the stock camber bolt and pushed the hub in all the way and tightened it down.

It was a tough choice for me between hyper black and silver as well. Went with silver because it matches the clear lighting everywhere.

ZX88 01-07-2015 11:58 PM

looks great. i just ordered a set in bronze form mine. lll probably run 225/40 on them.

themajesticone 01-24-2015 04:24 AM

Mounting my Forme 9's in Hyper black tomorrow!

17x9 +35 245/40 BFgoodrich g-force sport comp-2

JonAvalon 01-24-2015 11:57 AM

I've been eyeing these in 17x9 in Bronze lately.

Looking good! @Vitamin-R

ZX88 02-04-2015 05:00 PM

Installed mine last week.

18x9.5+34 with 225/40/18s

Suspension: swift springs (stock camber - whatever from the drop)

Front poke is pretty narley but I have zero rubbing issues. Definitely need camber bolts or coil overs to get the fronts to look good.

http://i575.photobucket.com/albums/s...ps5xdb13am.jpg

SUB-FT86 03-14-2015 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vitamin-R (Post 2081041)
I ordered a set of Vordoven Forme9 in 18x9.5 et34 on black friday. Got an amazing deal as they were still taking preorders. It did take a month for the wheels to arrive, but it was totally worth it.

18x9.5 et34 Vordoven Forme 9 in hypersilver

255/35/18 Bridgestone Turanza ER33 (rubs on uturns, hard turns, and hard bumps. switching to 235/40 today)

ST Coilovers (lowered all the way up front, 13 turns up in the rear. -1.7/-1.9* camber in front -2.7/-2.9* camber in rear)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...ps3ec780f7.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...ps5703f33e.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...ps83ed6664.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...ps8a9cd1ee.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...psfdc92e05.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...ps4948647a.jpg


I have a question for you in particular if you don't mind? I want these rims, the TRD 1 inch springs and run 245/40/18 on all four corners. Will I have a problem with this setup?

Crazypinoy9 03-14-2015 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by SUB-FT86 (Post 2168759)
I have a question for you in particular if you don't mind? I want these rims, the TRD 1 inch springs and run 245/40/18 on all four corners. Will I have a problem with this setup?

I just ordered my forme 9's in this size and I'm going to pick them up next week. Going with that same tire size too. Since I'm already on TRD springs I can update you :party0030:

SUB-FT86 03-14-2015 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Crazypinoy9 (Post 2169073)
I just ordered my forme 9's in this size and I'm going to pick them up next week. Going with that same tire size too. Since I'm already on TRD springs I can update you :party0030:

:thumbsup:

Thank you so much bro!!!

kounkun 03-14-2015 08:41 PM

What spoiler are you using?

NyC Zn6 03-14-2015 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by kounkun (Post 2169277)
What spoiler are you using?

That's 5 Axis spoiler.

Crazypinoy9 03-20-2015 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by SUB-FT86 (Post 2169100)
:thumbsup:

Thank you so much bro!!!

Sorry man been laggin on this....

I picked up the rims on Tuesday but haven't had the time to pick up tires yet. Plus I'm debating shaving off 2-3mm on these to give 245/40 a better fit. The sales mgr at Vordoven said 3mm is the max but I'm still a little weary of losing strength in the lug seating. If anyone has any feedback on this please let me know.

SUB-FT86 03-20-2015 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Crazypinoy9 (Post 2177560)
Sorry man been laggin on this....

I picked up the rims on Tuesday but haven't had the time to pick up tires yet. Plus I'm debating shaving off 2-3mm on these to give 245/40 a better fit. The sales mgr at Vordoven said 3mm is the max but I'm still a little weary of losing strength in the lug seating. If anyone has any feedback on this please let me know.

So you gotta shave part of the rim for it to work with stock struts and TRD springs? Damn! I refuse to buy a coilover simply because I hate having to rebuild coilovers and to top it off all I want is a 1-1.2 inch drop.

Koa 03-20-2015 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by SUB-FT86 (Post 2177759)
So you gotta shave part of the rim for it to work with stock struts and TRD springs? Damn! I refuse to buy a coilover simply because I hate having to rebuild coilovers and to top it off all I want is a 1-1.2 inch drop.



just an FYI, you have to "rebuild" or "replace" struts as well.. and he's talking about shaving the rim to clear tires, not because they rub on the strut or anything

SUB-FT86 03-20-2015 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Koa (Post 2177903)
just an FYI, you have to "rebuild" or "replace" struts as well.. and he's talking about shaving the rim to clear tires, not because they rub on the strut or anything

A strut only needs replacing every 80,000 miles though. I drive that in 7 years. Coilovers I heard needs to be done at least 3-5 times in that same time from what I've read. So trust me I know and I have done adequate research.

Koa 03-20-2015 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by SUB-FT86 (Post 2178006)
A strut only needs replacing every 80,000 miles though. I drive that in 7 years. Coilovers I heard needs to be done at least 5 times in that same time from what I've read. So trust me I know and I have done adequate research.

Any time someone says "trust me" I am immediately wary of them.

Do you know the difference between a worn out oil filled stock strut and a street coilover that needs servicing?

Here's some insight for starters, this advice while lacking citations is sound and you'll find that it corraborates advice on struts in general: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...01&postcount=4

Also, that "80,000 miles" business is not with your lowering springs taken into consideration. Additionally, while that strut may not blow until 80k miles, you sure as hell would want to replace it long before that if performances means anything to you.

By the way, coilovers ARE struts. ;)

SUB-FT86 03-20-2015 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Koa (Post 2178011)
Any time someone says "trust me" I am immediately wary of them.

Do you know the difference between a worn out oil filled stock strut and a street coilover that needs servicing?

Here's some insight for starters, this advice while lacking citations is sound and you'll find that it corraborates advice on struts in general: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...01&postcount=4

Also, that "80,000 miles" business is not with your lowering springs taken into consideration. Additionally, while that strut may not blow until 80k miles, you sure as hell would want to replace it long before that if performances means anything to you.

By the way, coilovers ARE struts. ;)

Ummm the Eibach Pro kit is nowhere near as aggressive abuse on stock struts as you think. I understand that sportline is a strut killer for obvious reasons and yes I know that a coilover is a strut but coilovers are designed to be more aggressive vs a OEM setup. Furthermore you have to spend upwards of $1500 for a top brand and still worry about rebuilding it frequently? No thanks. I just need a nice DD setup and speaking of which the roads in GA is horrible which gives the coilover another negative.

Koa 03-20-2015 05:44 PM

Most track coilovers are indeed designed to be more aggressive, as per the insight I linked you

But streetable, quality coilovers give you a HUGE leap in performance for only a fraction percentage increase in servicing costs.. dude you can go 30-50k on one rebuild of a quality KW or Ohlins coilover if all you do is street. I don't know where you've been getting this "having to rebuild coilovers 5x as much" metric

Koa 03-20-2015 05:46 PM

@CSG Mike care to chime in? I am not an auto expert but I wasn't born yesterday either. How far away are we from the truth of things?

SUB-FT86 03-20-2015 05:50 PM

Ok I'll believe one guy because he tells me so. And Ohlins? $2500-4000 coilovers for a rebuild every 30-50k is insane. At the cost of Ohlins it should be every 140k miles instead. And I bought my FRS as a fun day to day sports car. I don't care about racing as much as most on here. Pro Kit is for us guys that have different needs.

Koa 03-20-2015 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86 (Post 2178051)
Ok I'll believe one guy because he tells me so. And Ohlins? $2500-4000 coilovers for a rebuild every 30-50k is insane. At the cost of Ohlins it should be every 140k miles instead. And I bought my FRS as a fun day to day sports car. I don't care about racing as much as most on here. Pro Kit is for us guys that have different needs.

So explain why my friend's KW variant 1's have been going on right about what I posted, 35k and no sign of needing a revalve or rebuild yet?

You're super harsh and it's funny that you think your stock struts are going to last you 80k with those springs.. and about that day to day sports car.. how much did you pay for it? How often do you feel the dampening of the suspension? It's a bit costly, yes, but quality suspension components are crucial to a satisfying experience, both competitively and as a "day to day" enthusiast

SUB-FT86 03-20-2015 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Koa (Post 2178065)
So explain why my friend's KW variant 1's have been going on right about what I posted, 35k and no sign of needing a revalve or rebuild yet?

You're super harsh and it's funny that you think your stock struts are going to last you 80k with those springs.. and about that day to day sports car.. how much did you pay for it? How often do you feel the dampening of the suspension? It's a bit costly, yes, but quality suspension components are crucial to a satisfying experience, both competitively and as a "day to day" enthusiast

Even if they lasted 40k I'm happy. But I won't have to worry about sending away my struts and wait for a week or 2 in order to get it back and my car just sitting there. I'm not out to waste time and money.

SUB-FT86 03-20-2015 06:26 PM

I also feel like you think I'm coming negatively at coilover lovers. I just feel for me the cons outweigh the pros. I love to see cars with coilovers.

Koa 03-20-2015 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86 (Post 2178110)
I also feel like you think I'm coming negatively at coilover lovers. I just feel for me the cons outweigh the pros. I love to see cars with coilovers.

it's funny because I'm not on coils either, I just call it how I see it.. sport tuned suspension, well we pay to play. Simple as that.. but that doesn't mean stock OEM suspension with modified spring rates will outlast a proper coilover setup that only sees street use.. Only reason why I brought Mike in is because that dude is a wealth of realistic insight that knows far more about suspension than I and who isn't afraid of telling it straight

Koa 03-20-2015 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86 (Post 2178110)
I also feel like you think I'm coming negatively at coilover lovers. I just feel for me the cons outweigh the pros. I love to see cars with coilovers.

You know one other caveat that swings in your favor is the dirt cheap price of stock struts right now.. I have two sets in my garage- one I got for free from a member when I bought my springs (he couldn't figure out how to remove the top hats without a pass through and hex), and now one additional set from my switch to Bilsteins..

So there's that, one could pick up a set for $150-200 and be set for a LONG time

SUB-FT86 03-20-2015 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Koa (Post 2178139)
it's funny because I'm not on coils either, I just call it how I see it.. sport tuned suspension, well we pay to play. Simple as that.. but that doesn't mean stock OEM suspension with modified spring rates will outlast a proper coilover setup that only sees street use.. Only reason why I brought Mike in is because that dude is a wealth of realistic insight that knows far more about suspension than I and who isn't afraid of telling it straight

I understand where you're coming from but I wonder if a coilover can take the brutal harshness of a pothole riddled road that I commute through on a daily? And If I was to get them I wasn't going with a conservative drop. My mindset is if I spend that money I'm going all out to where it's near max settings.

Crazypinoy9 03-20-2015 07:22 PM

TBH the only reason why I want to hold off on getting coilovers is because i wanna get some usage out of the suspension that came with the car. I barely got the car in january haha

But now that I think about it. I can just get coilovers now. Then just save the stock struts and TRD springs for when I would have to send off the ST's to get rebuilt...wait...they're rebuildable right? lol

SUB-FT86 03-20-2015 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Koa (Post 2178179)
You know one other caveat that swings in your favor is the dirt cheap price of stock struts right now.. I have two sets in my garage- one I got for free from a member when I bought my springs (he couldn't figure out how to remove the top hats without a pass through and hex), and now one additional set from my switch to Bilsteins..

So there's that, one could pick up a set for $150-200 and be set for a LONG time

:clap:

Sounds like what I would love to pay or even a bit more.

Crazypinoy9 03-21-2015 04:21 PM

Ok so I mounted the rims/tires. Ended up going with 235/40/18.

Again, this is on stock suspension consisting of just TRD springs. I plan to add camber bolts and will most likely pick up my ST coilovers within the next couple months.

So far no rubbing of any kind but that's with normal driving. I'll try driving hard another time and update you. I normally don't drive hard anyway so I don't forsee any issues. I wanna get the ST's only because my OCD is killing me seeing the poke in the front and the slight poke in the rear. The pics make it look way worse than it really is.

Front (slight turn in the wheel but still gives you an idea)
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Y...321_120121.jpg

Rear
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-2...321_120108.jpg

This is the front but it was raised on the lift so it's a little deceiving. doesn't poke out this much. I'll take better pics later cuz it's damn hot outside lol
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-W...321_114325.jpg

Doesn't look too bad on the TRD springs...I definitely want the front to be lower but I'll probably just stick to the TRD springs for now since I'm not having any rubbing issues
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-w...2BFacebook.jpg

Koa 03-22-2015 02:15 PM

Looks amazing! DAYMN. ^

EDIT: @Crazypinoy9, Get some LCAs, and some whiteline camber bolts and a good alignment. Then re-evaluate if you really need coilovers.

Crazypinoy9 03-23-2015 01:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Koa (Post 2179856)
Looks amazing! DAYMN. ^

EDIT: @Crazypinoy9, Get some LCAs, and some whiteline camber bolts and a good alignment. Then re-evaluate if you really need coilovers.

I actually ordered some whiteline camber bolts yesterday and I do plan to get an alignment soon. In regards, to LCAs, which do you recommend?

Koa 03-23-2015 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Crazypinoy9 (Post 2180671)
I actually ordered some whiteline camber bolts yesterday and I do plan to get an alignment soon. In regards, to LCAs, which do you recommend?

Do you track much? If so, the SPL lca's are second to none because they have the most adjustability for sways.. Personally, I love the Racer-X fab line and their LCAs are pure gold. I highly recommend them. They're also just releasing their Version 3 LCA's which will have multiple sway mounting locations

Crazypinoy9 03-23-2015 02:02 AM

I honestly won't be putting much track time in. At least not with this car. This is my DD so I'll probably just keep it at that. Although I have been eyeing the SPL lca's because I've heard many great things.

thien 03-26-2015 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crazypinoy9 (Post 2179054)
Ok so I mounted the rims/tires. Ended up going with 235/40/18.

Again, this is on stock suspension consisting of just TRD springs. I plan to add camber bolts and will most likely pick up my ST coilovers within the next couple months.

So far no rubbing of any kind but that's with normal driving. I'll try driving hard another time and update you. I normally don't drive hard anyway so I don't forsee any issues. I wanna get the ST's only because my OCD is killing me seeing the poke in the front and the slight poke in the rear. The pics make it look way worse than it really is.

Front (slight turn in the wheel but still gives you an idea)
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Y...321_120121.jpg

Rear
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-2...321_120108.jpg

This is the front but it was raised on the lift so it's a little deceiving. doesn't poke out this much. I'll take better pics later cuz it's damn hot outside lol
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-W...321_114325.jpg

Doesn't look too bad on the TRD springs...I definitely want the front to be lower but I'll probably just stick to the TRD springs for now since I'm not having any rubbing issues
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-w...2BFacebook.jpg

How much of a drop do the trd springs have? no fender work done either? Roll or pull?

dito 03-27-2015 01:18 AM

how do you like the ST coils? I have the Enza Vatore wheels, same size and fitment as your Vordovens on stock height and would like to lower the car and fix the front bc its poking out too much for my taste. Was either looking at ST or BC coils.

Crazypinoy9 03-28-2015 02:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thien (Post 2186727)
How much of a drop do the trd springs have? no fender work done either? Roll or pull?

No fender work was done. Although, even though I don't have any issues with rubbing I still plan to have the fenders rolled and pulled in the near future to make the poke much more minimal. TBH i really don't remember the exact drop on the TRD springs. it's about an inch or so.

swarb 03-28-2015 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Crazypinoy9 (Post 2188604)
No fender work was done. Although, even though I don't have any issues with rubbing I still plan to have the fenders rolled and pulled in the near future to make the poke much more minimal. TBH i really don't remember the exact drop on the TRD springs. it's about an inch or so.

Are you happy with the setup? Are you glad you didn't try to shave them down? or still thinking about it? What brand tires did you end up with? Looks good!

Crazypinoy9 03-28-2015 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by swarb (Post 2188664)
Are you happy with the setup? Are you glad you didn't try to shave them down? or still thinking about it? What brand tires did you end up with? Looks good!

I'm pretty happy with the setup so far but will be installing my whiteline camber bolts soon. Am I glad I didn't shave them? well, I really wish the fronts didn't poke out as much as they do. I was hoping to have them tucked without having to use coilovers. But I'm sure the camber bolts will be good enough.

In regards to tires, I got Nitto Motivos. Mainly because I plan to do ZERO track time which means it's only a daily so I didn't need any performance tires. Why spend the extra money if I really didn't need to ya know? FWIW Im very happy with the Motivos right now. super quiet, 60k tread warranty... not bad for $120/tire :)

ZZT86 04-09-2015 11:46 PM

Firstly the OP first pic is absolute GOLD, looks the goods but it has way too much poke & negative camber for me, especially as a DD that sees much freeway.

Curious about the weight on them 18x9.5" Kiwami ripoffs ? Silver still looks great on a car.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Koa (Post 2178065)
. . . and it's funny that you think your stock struts are going to last you 80k with those springs..

My old gen7 celica had springs not unlike the sportline that were 1.5" drop on stock oem struts that lasted 95K miles before I insisted they be re-built, although again my car sees much freeway travel so an easy life you could say.


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