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stevesnj 11-17-2014 05:02 PM

Tada Q&A with video
 
No FI from Toyota, at least while he's on the project so pretty much never, promise of performance upgrades the next two model years....straight from the horses mouth.

1:13 about the upcoming models...

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=872444446099290

艾洛 11-17-2014 05:07 PM

Scion RS 2.0 here it comes.

fang_gt86 11-17-2014 05:10 PM

"...Please wait, please be patient.":cry:

civdaddy 11-17-2014 05:23 PM

:popcorn::

Bristecom 11-17-2014 09:57 PM

Hmmmm... He sure likes to tease, doesn't he? :P

艾洛 11-17-2014 10:23 PM

But it must come, he promised!

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-8vN1H5ZGhz...ian-crying.gif

Rampage 11-18-2014 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by stevesnj (Post 2025495)
No FI from Toyota, at least while he's on the project so pretty much never, promise of performance upgrades the next two model years....straight from the horses mouth.

Eh, he has said no FI before but that does not keep people from insisting it must come or demanding it. Performance upgrades must mean even better handling and maybr a bit more NA power from tuning.

He mentioned two other sport models in development but shied away from the MR2 question. I suspect we have seen the last of the mid-engine, affordable cars from Toyota. I guess I will hang on to mine forever.

hmong337 11-18-2014 12:26 AM

You guys and your OEM turbocharged pipe dreams ahaha.

As I have always believed, it is up to us, the owners, to do our own forced induction. Tetsuya Tada said it, "Forced induction will be up to third parties". Toyota already gave us the base car to work with. Just add the damn turbo that you so want!!!

torqdork 11-18-2014 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Rampage (Post 2026034)
He mentioned two other sport models in development but shied away from the MR2 question. I suspect we have seen the last of the mid-engine, affordable cars from Toyota. I guess I will hang on to mine forever.

Good plan. I'll be shopping a certain year/color Spyder (would be my third) Jan/Feb.

You have the best of all worlds with your hardtop, one of the best looking cars of the past 25 years.

I'd remove or gut the pre-cats and stock up on replacement service parts before it hits 25 years old and drops off the standard parts system.

Have fun driving your future classic.

Braces 11-18-2014 10:51 AM

Okay. So no FI .... ever. Possible soft-top which I think would look good. A new upcoming "upgraded" 86 which has piqued my interest. Hopefully no more external garnishments, but PERFORMANCE enhancements.

Sideways&Smiling 11-18-2014 11:13 AM

What kind of performance upgrades can they really do that anyone will actually care about? Honestly... Unless they are dropping 200 pounds off the weight, it sounds like the best bang for the buck will continue to be used 2013 models.

He has mentioned the possibility of it getting a different engine altogether at some point... Maybe it will get a 2.5L in a year or two then... Then again, that contradicts what he has said about all upgrades being available to early adopters. They've contradicted themselves quite a few times, honestly...

CAMBAM_6 11-18-2014 11:19 AM

He said "I have no intention to make a forced induction engine by Toyota"
There's still hope people the engine is made by Subaru...lmao :bonk:
:popcorn:

Tcoat 11-18-2014 11:22 AM

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He said "I have no intention of making a forced induction engine by Toyota"
There's still hope people the engine is made by Subaru...lmao :bonk:
:popcorn:

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torqdork 11-18-2014 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Sideways&Smiling (Post 2026436)
What kind of performance upgrades can they really do that anyone will actually care about? Honestly... Unless they are dropping 200 pounds off the weight...

That would be my guess, expanded use of aluminum like doors and de-contented, lightened interior for a spec/clubsport edition.

It sounds like we'll officially know more soon, maybe early next year.

stevesnj 11-18-2014 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by CAMBAM_6 (Post 2026452)
He said "I have no intention to make a forced induction engine by Toyota"
There's still hope people the engine is made by Subaru...lmao :bonk:
:popcorn:

I think the Subaru engine era for the 86 is over. Seems like BMW may be in the next model year FR-S. Plus BMW has way better build and finish quality than Subaru. BMW would have to retool for the FR-S so that could be done or could be done. Soon I hope. The MY '16 should begin exporting around June 2015, we shall see.

hmong337 11-18-2014 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by stevesnj (Post 2026620)
I think the Subaru engine era for the 86 is over. Seems like BMW may be in the next model year FR-S. Plus BMW has way better build and finish quality than Subaru. BMW would have to retool for the FR-S so that could be done or could be done. Soon I hope. The MY '16 should begin exporting around June 2015, we shall see.

No

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Tcoat 11-18-2014 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by stevesnj (Post 2026620)
I think the Subaru engine era for the 86 is over. Seems like BMW may be in the next model year FR-S. Plus BMW has way better build and finish quality than Subaru. BMW would have to retool for the FR-S so that could be done or could be done. Soon I hope. The MY '16 should begin exporting around June 2015, we shall see.

Shit are you going to go down this road again????????
Kodos on posting a factual interview. Now just leave it at that and leave the rumours and speculation out of it!

stevesnj 11-18-2014 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2026709)
Shit are you going to go down this road again????????
Kodos on posting a factual interview. Now just leave it at that and leave the rumours and speculation out of it!

I haven't been down this road so i obviously can't go down it again. I don't live on here, last I heard Subaru is out BMW is in. Post your facts about what i'm wrong about and be mature and don't respond that way. Be useful if you know the facts!

Forums are public bulletin boards for opinions like.... "I think the Subaru engine era for the 86 is over. Seems like BMW may be in the next model year FR-S." It's just wishful thinking but not counting on it. Relax man.

Tcoat 11-18-2014 04:44 PM

The fact is that there is no official statement anyplace that Subaru is out nor BMW in.
You just keep on waiting for the next model year when everything will be perfect OK
Done.
No further comment nor debate from me.

DarkSunrise 11-18-2014 04:45 PM

Good interview. Seems like he takes a lot of pride and ownership over the ongoing GT86 project, which was probably a key factor in the Twins' past success and is encouraging for future development. Can't wait to see what's to come.

Rampage 11-18-2014 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by torqdork (Post 2026363)
Good plan. I'll be shopping a certain year/color Spyder (would be my third) Jan/Feb.

You have the best of all worlds with your hardtop, one of the best looking cars of the past 25 years.

I'd remove or gut the pre-cats and stock up on replacement service parts before it hits 25 years old and drops off the standard parts system.

Have fun driving your future classic.

No pre-cats. It is 2ZZ swapped. I have a nice little inventory of spares and do almost all my own work which is another reason to keep it.

As far as the looks go, some love it and some hate it. Most of the gen 2 people hate it but it gets a ton of attention with the hardtop at the Cars and Coffee or around town. But as you know there is nothing else on the road quite like it and although I wish Toyota would do another MR2, I am really OK if they don't because I would probably be disappointed with what they produce.

If I didn't have it though I really like the RS 1.0.

1GiantTurtle 11-18-2014 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Rampage (Post 2027163)
although I wish Toyota would do another MR2,



:bellyroll: NEW MR2? there goes lotus sales

swpbrz 11-18-2014 10:11 PM

This car starts to become unsafe for your standard driver with a turbo IMO.. I was just imagining today what it would feel like. Its maniacle. its so lite already id be loosing traction everywhere. They are trying to sell to the general public. Its a squirrelly fun car right out of the box. a turbo would be too much for kids buying an under 30k sports car. their would be so many wrecks if this ting came with 250 lbs of torque. It would be nuts. Crazy fun.. but nuts

FR-STY 86 11-18-2014 10:52 PM

Thanks for the video. I would love to meet Tetsuya Tada he seems like a nice guy =D

stevesnj 11-19-2014 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2026998)
The fact is that there is no official statement anyplace that Subaru is out nor BMW in.
You just keep on waiting for the next model year when everything will be perfect OK
Done.
No further comment nor debate from me.

Your right, you're always right. DONE

stevesnj 11-19-2014 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by FR-STY 86 (Post 2027450)
Thanks for the video. I would love to meet Tetsuya Tada he seems like a nice guy =D

Yeh he has been with Toyota for a while and he like to make the consumer happy. Just seems like a genuine guy from the interviews that he does on video.

stevesnj 11-19-2014 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by swpbrz (Post 2027407)
This car starts to become unsafe for your standard driver with a turbo IMO.. I was just imagining today what it would feel like. Its maniacle. its so lite already id be loosing traction everywhere. They are trying to sell to the general public. Its a squirrelly fun car right out of the box. a turbo would be too much for kids buying an under 30k sports car. their would be so many wrecks if this ting came with 250 lbs of torque. It would be nuts. Crazy fun.. but nuts

I agree, the spirit of the car is for NA engine and he is holding his idea to not mess with it too much, engine wise.

Bristecom 11-19-2014 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by swpbrz (Post 2027407)
This car starts to become unsafe for your standard driver with a turbo IMO.. I was just imagining today what it would feel like. Its maniacle. its so lite already id be loosing traction everywhere. They are trying to sell to the general public. Its a squirrelly fun car right out of the box. a turbo would be too much for kids buying an under 30k sports car. their would be so many wrecks if this ting came with 250 lbs of torque. It would be nuts. Crazy fun.. but nuts

I agree that it would be too much for the average driver and negatively effect the design intentions of pure handling; not to mention the effects on weight, reliability, and fuel economy. All I think the FR-S needs is just a little more mid-to-high range torque and power with a smoother power band. The best solution is to go with a 2.2-2.5L and further tune the intake and exhaust. That route has virtually no drawbacks if done right.

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Originally Posted by stevesnj (Post 2026620)
I think the Subaru engine era for the 86 is over. Seems like BMW may be in the next model year FR-S. Plus BMW has way better build and finish quality than Subaru. BMW would have to retool for the FR-S so that could be done or could be done. Soon I hope. The MY '16 should begin exporting around June 2015, we shall see.

You do realize that the 86/FR-S/BRZ is made at a Subaru plant, right? They are not going to ship everything to or from Germany just to change out the engine. The whole car was designed around the Boxer engine. That was Tada-san and the lead designer's first goal with the car: "We must have a lower CoG engine such as Boxer or Rotary." Now there may be another Toyota sports car in the works with BMW coming soon but that will be separate from the 86/FR-S/BRZ line.

stevesnj 11-19-2014 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Bristecom (Post 2027928)

You do realize that the 86/FR-S/BRZ is made at a Subaru plant, right? They are not going to ship everything to or from Germany just to change out the engine. The whole car was designed around the Boxer engine. That was Tada-san and the lead designer's first goal with the car: "We must have a lower CoG engine such as Boxer or Rotary." Now there may be another Toyota sports car in the works with BMW coming soon but that will be separate from the 86/FR-S/BRZ line.

Yeh I know they Subaru makes the engine. But they can retool for assembly in Germany or use a Toyota line and ship the engines to Japan for the line. Whatever meets their profit margins they will do. My opinion is to just ship engines to Japan. Seems easier than retooling a plant they don't need to. That's if BMW is even involved. Also it could be an all aluminum engine to help with lower COG. You never know what kind of engine could be developed for possible future use, if any, by Toyota and BMW

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Defuser 11-19-2014 01:26 PM

Certain people seem unwilling to remember one of the main goals of this car: decent performance at a low-ish pricepoint. Putting a BMW engine into this equation is illogical.

It was not ever meant to be the best at anything, I think the fact that it is pretty damn good the WAY IT IS should make people happy, but then, when are humans EVER happy?

Take the extra $5k they would charge you to build the car with 50-100 extra horsepower, and DO IT YOURSELF. As has been stated numerous times, by numerous people who are not blind to the obvious.

Basically, "I want a Porsche Cayman S for $25,000". Keep dreamin', or find one with a salvage title.

stevesnj 11-19-2014 01:43 PM

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Certain people seem unwilling to remember one of the main goals of this car: decent performance at a low-ish pricepoint. Putting a BMW engine into this equation is illogical.

It was not ever meant to be the best at anything, I think the fact that it is pretty damn good the WAY IT IS should make people happy, but then, when are humans EVER happy?

Take the extra $5k they would charge you to build the car with 50-100 extra horsepower, and DO IT YOURSELF. As has been stated numerous times, by numerous people who are not blind to the obvious.

Basically, "I want a Porsche Cayman S for $25,000". Keep dreamin', or find one with a salvage title.

Very true, they could still buy engines from Subaru or stay on the same track in the same assembly plant, who knows..good points. I found that BMW does make a water cooled boxer engine shown in their BMW Group website. It is for motorcycles and is a flat 2cyl, but im sure they can weld together 2 more cylinders..lol Here's a pic and link. It's called the K-50 engine.

http://www.bmwgroup.com/powertrain/e...er_engine.html

FRSBRZGT86FAN 11-19-2014 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by stevesnj (Post 2026950)
I haven't been down this road so i obviously can't go down it again. I don't live on here, last I heard Subaru is out BMW is in. Post your facts about what i'm wrong about and be mature and don't respond that way. Be useful if you know the facts!

Forums are public bulletin boards for opinions like.... "I think the Subaru engine era for the 86 is over. Seems like BMW may be in the next model year FR-S." It's just wishful thinking but not counting on it. Relax man.


Actually this has been beaten to death a month or two ago and subaru announced they were having no issues and they would be mortified if that split were to take place......

stevesnj 11-19-2014 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by FRSBRZGT86FAN (Post 2028050)
Actually this has been beaten to death a month or two ago and subaru announced they were having no issues and they would be mortified if that split were to take place......

Cool, thanks for the clarification. Haven't been on here too much lately. Thanks again. Very helpful!

funwheeldrive 11-19-2014 05:02 PM

Does anyone know where I could get a shirt like the one he is wearing in the video?

Jond63 11-19-2014 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by stevesnj (Post 2028046)
Very true, they could still buy engines from Subaru or stay on the same track in the same assembly plant, who knows..good points. I found that BMW does make a water cooled boxer engine shown in their BMW Group website. It is for motorcycles and is a flat 2cyl, but im sure they can weld together 2 more cylinders..lol Here's a pic and link. It's called the K-50 engine.

http://www.bmwgroup.com/powertrain/e...er_engine.html

By George, I think you may be onto something here!!!! :laughabove:

FRSBRZGT86FAN 11-19-2014 05:26 PM

The best part is tetsuya saying "please wait, please be patient..."

Jond63 11-19-2014 07:51 PM

I sure hope that one of the new 'sports' platforms he talks about is not the iM concept they just announced...

http://www.autonews.com/article/2014...h-im-hatchback

stevesnj 11-19-2014 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by FRSBRZGT86FAN (Post 2028359)
The best part is tetsuya saying "please wait, please be patient..."

Yeh i know, I was gonna get a MY '15 , my car funding isnt there yet but I will be ready in June for sure.

juliog 11-19-2014 09:14 PM

Don't buy it in june, better wait for the 2016 at that point! Or better wait for the power bump in 2017! Or better wait for the 2017 power bump kinks to be ironed out and get the much reliable 2018!

stevesnj 11-19-2014 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by juliog (Post 2028616)
Don't buy it in june, better wait for the 2016 at that point! Or better wait for the power bump in 2017! Or better wait for the 2017 power bump kinks to be ironed out and get the much reliable 2018!

Yeh I know it could be all a big tease, but if I have the money in June I might as well get the '16


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