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Drakelee117 11-14-2014 11:17 AM

What does one set brake upgrade kit include?
 
This might sound like a stupid question but trust me I've been doing my research and I just can't seem to find out how many these kits I need to upgrade the entire break system? Take this for example, is it just for the brake either on rear or front and I need to buy two sets to upgrade my brakes?

Also, will the brake fit on the aftermarket wheel I plan to get? (which is konig illusion 18*8)

Kevinmp7 11-14-2014 11:47 AM

Please specify which brake kit you are planning on getting first. Usually companies with sell two separate upgrade kits for the front and rear. I think I saw a full upgrade kit that includes both front and rears on the ft86speedfactory website.

Dave-ROR 11-14-2014 01:44 PM

Also, why are you getting a BBK? Most users here (I'd guess 98%+) don't need one.

Drakelee117 11-14-2014 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave-ROR (Post 2022488)
Also, why are you getting a BBK? Most users here (I'd guess 98%+) don't need one.

Right now I just just trying to get an idea of what upgrade am I doing, scanning through all the possible solutions.

Racecomp Engineering 11-14-2014 01:50 PM

What are you trying to improve? Do you take your car to the track?

- Andy

Dave-ROR 11-14-2014 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Drakelee117 (Post 2022497)
Right now I just just trying to get an idea of what upgrade am I doing, scanning through all the possible solutions.

That wasn't really an answer. Why are you looking for an upgrade, which may be a downgrade? What problems are you trying to address? That answer will help lead you to viable solutions.

Drakelee117 11-14-2014 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave-ROR (Post 2022488)
Also, why are you getting a BBK? Most users here (I'd guess 98%+) don't need one.

Besides I am not doing anything right now, since I plan to track my car, brake upgrades may come in handy. Again, just researching and planning.

Dave-ROR 11-14-2014 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Drakelee117 (Post 2022503)
Besides I am not doing anything right now, since I plan to track my car, brake upgrades may come in handy. Again, just researching and planning.

Ok. Sebring? Homestead? PBIR?

How experienced are you?

You most likely will just need good pads and fluid. SS lines if you want them (although they aren't needed).

Multiple paths to go down once you need more thermal capacity, but I wouldn't even bother spending much time on it until you are at, or past, the limits of the OEM rotors.

Dave-ROR 11-14-2014 01:56 PM

Most BBK's are just the front. Most companies offer front and rear. The rear would only be needed for the following reasons:

1. The front kit is too big and is pissing off the computer/ABS, unlikely with EBFD fancy junk these cars have. (don't read that as "get the biggest kit available")
2. You want to save unsprung rotational weight, very limited benefit if you retain a parking brake as the hub is where you see the most weight savings.
3. Consumable cost, although the rear brakes wear so little on track that it would probably take a century to make up the cost of the rear kit.
4. Looks - this is a perfectly OK reason as long as you understand the other pros and cons.

Shark_Bait88 11-14-2014 02:00 PM

Unless you're putting down some really serious power and tracking at a very competitive level, you will be just fine with stainless steel lines, new brake fluid, and a set of dedicated pads for the track.

Dave-ROR 11-14-2014 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Shark_Bait88 (Post 2022526)
Unless you're putting down some really serious power and tracking at a very competitive level, you will be just fine with stainless steel lines, new brake fluid, and a set of dedicated pads for the track.

If you are tracking enough, the savings on consumables alone pays for a good BBK. You just have to pick the right stuff based on needs. :thumbup: So even if you don't exceed OEM thermal capacity there are still other benefits to consider, but it's more of a want than a need then :)


Wasn't disagreeing with you BTW, just providing another point of view.

Shark_Bait88 11-14-2014 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave-ROR (Post 2022538)
If you are tracking enough, the savings on consumables alone pays for a good BBK. You just have to pick the right stuff based on needs. :thumbup: So even if you don't exceed OEM thermal capacity there are still other benefits to consider, but it's more of a want than a need then :)


Wasn't disagreeing with you BTW, just providing another point of view.

Fair enough, and very true. If you're tracking weekly, or even every other week, then a BBK could make a lot of sense.

I was just basing my post off of the feeling I got from the OP's posts, that this probably is going to be a DD with the occasional track days or a season of autox.

acro 11-14-2014 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave-ROR (Post 2022538)
If you are tracking enough, the savings on consumables alone pays for a good BBK. You just have to pick the right stuff based on needs. :thumbup: So even if you don't exceed OEM thermal capacity there are still other benefits to consider, but it's more of a want than a need then :)


Wasn't disagreeing with you BTW, just providing another point of view.


I get the want ,after 3 track days my rotors have had to be resurfaced twice and i have changed pads 4 times in 2 years and my mech says by the time ive finished with this set of pads my rotors will have to be changed.


BBK or not?

Oh yeah my car has the smaller JDM brakes :(

Dave-ROR 11-14-2014 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Shark_Bait88 (Post 2022558)
Fair enough, and very true. If you're tracking weekly, or even every other week, then a BBK could make a lot of sense.

I was just basing my post off of the feeling I got from the OP's posts, that this probably is going to be a DD with the occasional track days or a season of autox.

I suspect mostly DD based on his wheel choice, but I'm an asshole. :)

Dave-ROR 11-14-2014 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by acro (Post 2022563)
I get the want ,after 3 track days my rotors have had to be resurfaced twice and i have changed pads 4 times in 2 years and my mech says by the time ive finished with this set of pads my rotors will have to be changed.


BBK or not?

Oh yeah my car has the smaller JDM brakes :(

Damn I only got 3 days out of my rotors, and 2 of those days were at an event I was running so I barely drove so that's really like 1.5 days total.


Good work saving them :) Others have had great luck though. The OEM rotors suck, but aftermarket OE replacements seem better.


I went with a BBK for the consumables savings and weight reduction. I don't regret it. I also delaminated the metal off the OEM front rotors. :shrug:

acro 11-14-2014 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave-ROR (Post 2022571)
Damn I only got 3 days out of my rotors, and 2 of those days were at an event I was running so I barely drove so that's really like 1.5 days total.


Good work saving them :) Others have had great luck though. The OEM rotors suck, but aftermarket OE replacements seem better.


I went with a BBK for the consumables savings and weight reduction. I don't regret it. I also delaminated the metal off the OEM front rotors. :shrug:


i think im gonna get it as you said OEM rotors rubbish. Which aftermarket rotors though would be tougher?

wparsons 11-14-2014 03:27 PM

I've heard good things about the Centric blanks, IMO it's not worth buying "fancy" ones like the DBA series.

Dave-ROR 11-14-2014 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by wparsons (Post 2022677)
I've heard good things about the Centric blanks, IMO it's not worth buying "fancy" ones like the DBA series.

I have centric's on the car now since the BBK is up for sale. I run centrics on the track car and race car too. And the DD actually.. so I guess all of my cars are currently running centric blanks :)

Reaper 11-14-2014 06:29 PM

Stock brakes will get you pretty far. Weight savings, consumables cost and...well I broke mine were my reasons for a bbk. And I'm kind of a brake snob since I have mono block brembos on both my bikes.

mav1178 11-14-2014 07:00 PM

A normal complete big brake kit should include:

calipers
rotors
pads
pad retaining hardware (varies based on caliper design)
brake lines
stickers
instructions
a box that it's shipped in

-alex

Sleepless 11-14-2014 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Drakelee117 (Post 2022275)
This might sound like a stupid question but trust me I've been doing my research and I just can't seem to find out how many these kits I need to upgrade the entire break system? Take this for example, is it just for the brake either on rear or front and I need to buy two sets to upgrade my brakes?

Also, will the brake fit on the aftermarket wheel I plan to get? (which is konig illusion 18*8)

The kits are typically sold in pairs (brakes for each side) so you would need a kit for the front and a separate kit for the rear. Go to the TireRack's website, enter your car and then go to the brake upgrade section, you'll see, for example, all the front and rear kits available from Brembo and Stoptech. Essex/AP and Wilwood are also common choices; go to their websites to see the choices.

Most brake companies provide templates that you can print and use to check fitment with your choice of wheels. There is a sticky thread that lists some common combinations that work.


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