Proper drifting settings
 

What is the hooning technique for just busting donuts and drifting in general you run?

And old FR car

Can you explain more in how they still interfere? (Not sarcastic! I really would like more info).

Pull the fuse. Gets rid of all the driving aids and won't apply the brakes in a panic situation.

I hate any type of aid, including ABS for drifting.

Pulling fuses and pedal dance is overkill for just wanting to drift around for fun.

Holding the trac button works just fine.

Not true. I am able to do plenty of slides and manji with just pedal dance.

-alex

wet the ground with water.

With only pedal dance:

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGwnf2tyDPA"]BRZ drifting @ Vegas Drift 05.30.14 - YouTube[/ame]

-alex

Pedal dance. With just holding the trac button for 5 secs you can't use the brake and gas pedal at the same time.

Why not?

As a safety feature it cuts power to the engine.

Cool just a genuine question, hadn't heard that before. This apply to both hand and foot brakes? I only ask because this is my first stick and now that I've got rev match down shifting handled, I was getting ready to learn heel-toe techniques.

Yeah I learned one night messing around in a parking lot that this happens. So I stopped, did the pedal dance, and boom no more cutting out while using the gas and brake pedal simultaneously.

And you don't want to be on the gas while pulling the hand brake BTW. You don't want the trans engaged to the engine at all while pulling the handbrake for that matter.

I explained it in another thread a few months ago under my previous account (diss7) but the nanny police had a whinge at how dangerous it is driving the car without any aids or abs. My car has 16,000kms on it, almost all of it has been without the fuse in place. I enjoy the car more.

Depends on what you're trying to do. Those settings allow some oversteer, but will still cut in if you really dial the angle on.

As above. It will allow oversteer, but not big oversteer. Your video, the first slide would've engaged something, you just mihght not have felt it. If you looked down at your dash, the naughty light most likely flashed. On your other slides, the angle was minimal so it let you get away with it. Try some runs with your current settings, then with the fuse removed; if you have a good feel for the car you'll notice the difference, it'll carry speed better in high angle situations, it'll feel good, and then you'll realise that with the fuse in place, it is applying the rear brakes with higher angle.

I tested this exhaustively when I first got the car. Everyone said that pedal dance was all aids off except abs, but my experience was that there's still something that will cut in at high angle.

Don't ask me the technical reasoning, because I don't know. All I know is what I experienced, and I also know that the other drift guys I talk to have had similar experiences and don't run the abs fuse either.

Here's some vids of me holding the car on full lock through a few sections, all in 3rd gear. Even with pedal dance setting, it would panic at this lock, and it also didn't like lock to lock switches. With the fuse removed it feels like a normal FR car; that's why I never put it back in.

[ame]http://youtu.be/4tw7V20iy8M[/ame]

[ame]http://youtu.be/k0Hgq_kFj44[/ame]

[ame]http://youtu.be/j1upheg_q1Q[/ame]

I think that proper drift settings are dependant on your level of skill. I think of it like a graduation. Start with VSC Sport until you feel it interferes too much, and then graduate to the 5 second Off (my level of skill), then you still have pedal dance and ultimately remove the ABS fuse (Manji level of skill).

Thanks for your info, but nothing flashed on the car. I was also easily able to get full lock... this video was a clean run but I had plenty others of spinouts with full counter.

The point of my video was not for one to nitpick, rather to show that it is possible to get the car drifting with pedal dance only. I had minimal angle only because I spent many years on a Kaaz 2-way and am only recently getting back into drifting/motorsports, and the Torsen's open-diff characteristics is very annoying.

The only time I have been able to engage ice mode on the car is when I'm overly braking the car and accidentally tripping ice mode.

-alex

I figured that was a bad idea. Only use mine to park. I'm not ready for drifting yet. But thanks for the tip in advance. :)

Good man!(Yes I really said that) The parking brake is for parking. Although it will certainly work for drifting and loads of people use it, it is not MADE for that purpose. The stock pads and drums in the e/parking brakes are designed for the car to be stationary when used and are very thin. The drum can glaze over quickly if used too much and will soon give you no grip. Now of course you can upgrade the shoes and rotors to parts that can take the beating or even go the hydraulic system route but it will cost ya!
There are better (but more difficult to master) ways to initiate a drift that wont cost you an arm and leg to repair all the time.
I loved watching Tokyo Drift with all the pull the hand break, complete a whole 100 yard drift, release the hand break, scenes!!! There would have been axles, transmissions and engine parts EVERYWHERE!

Do you have to push in the clutch while pulling up the hand brake to initiate the drift?

Or can you just let off the gas and pull the handbrake?

This is the first I've heard about not being able to use the gas pedal and brake pedal at the same time. I've been heel-toeing for several months now and have never noticed the engine cutting out as I blip the throttle.

Perhaps I am misunderstanding? Clarification plzzzzz.

Could you possibly describe how you would go through a standard handbrake engaged drift without the fuse pull?

Gas, turn, clutch in, handbrake, clutch out gas it through?

This is first time learning to get sideways in a stick super noob, I know the general concept just not with a stick :/

Wait, so while holding the button down for 5 sec you cant do a burnout? Do you have to do the pedal dance to be able to do a burnout? Cause a burnout is brake and gas soooo.....?

This is the most confusing thread I swear.. lol :popcorn:

For one what the heck is pedal dancing? (ive never heard that term before) :iono:

Also why would you ever use the brake and gas at the same time while doing anything? These arent FF cars that need left foot braking.. Idk I try and mimic professional drivers and only use my right foot to do either the gas or brake but never at the same time. (except for heel toeing in which I really hate the electronic gas pedal.. It is so inconsistent compared to my miata)

Having been sideways many times with just holding down the button for 5 seconds I havent seen any reason to pull any fuses. Heck the only time my ABS has ever engaged was when I was when I put my foot through the floor because I was about to collide with a deer (which ended up happening..)


Having done a flaming burnout while enraged I know for a fact that 1. 5sec button hold down is all you need and 2. You dont need your brake to do a burnout unless you have an automatic and you are trying to powerbrake.. But I dont recommend ever doing a burnout in an fr-s. It is just to hard on the clutch and throwout bearing. IT is no muscle car ;)

That's because the car is in neutral and this feature doesn't kick in. Try to do a brake stand with just the 5 sec button push and you will see what I am talking about.

That's pretty much the general idea with the handbrake drift. Obviously gotta fit counter steer in there somewhere. Honestly though, this car isn't impossible to drift with just a jab of throttle, especially in the wet. In fact, even an aggressive turn-in can get the wheels starting to break loose. Brake into corner, heel-toe into 3rd or 2nd (depending on how fast you're going and the turn itself), turn a bit more aggressively than usual and get on the gas a bit eariler than usual. Easy peasy you're sideways.

Attend a track day where they're teaching drifting techniques and you should pick it up in no time. Just don't do it on active public streets. Safety first!

I use the 5sec off for street driving (with the occasional tail out fun), and for autoX I do the pedal dance.

Well if u just drop the clutch your not really doing a burnout your more just doing an aggressive launch. What I mean by gas and brake is that u drop the clutch at say 4k, keep the throttle mashed and catch it with the brake so you can keep spinning the wheels. And yea of course its hard on the car but to have fun (in my pov) you have to be harsh on the car.

Im glad i wasnt the first person to ask lol what is the "pedal dance"

answered my own question with a search

heres a video:
[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWXv7UNA7hg"]FRS Pedal dance - YouTube[/ame]


In one of the comments someone says the abs and power steering may be the same fuse in some cars. I am guessing not in the frs/brz based on people pulling these out or am i wrong?

Thank you for the video! I am still a little confused though.. That seemed like the Konami code of fr-s operation lol but at least I should have an idea of what people are talking about.

If you`re at a track, you can pedal dance or pull the fuse, but just having fun, the button seems fine to me. I`ve gotten the car sideways in power slides and drifts, and only once in first gear, over a slight hump and turning, has the electronics kicked in because it sensed the inside wheel loose too much weight.

If somebody is making the statement "I am just learning" or even asking the question "how do I drift" in the first place then turning everything off is likely just a good way to get them killed!
Start with the nanny's in place and get the basic idea, then go to the sport mode button push and learn more, then do the 5 second button push and get better, THEN start pulling fuses and shit!
Not saying do this over an hour or even a week it takes time to learn the proper ways to do this right and should not be rushed!
This is not a subject that be taught with the written word. It is like asking "how do I walk" or "please tell me how to write with a pen".