FR-S and Genesis
 

When I was going for a new car last August I had narrowed it down to two. FR-S and Genesis. I went with the FR-S and didn't think twice about the Genesis... until about three months ago when I did.

I already knew what the FR-S is good at and where it lacks. It's a lot of fun and quite a head turner. It's also quite deceptive looking to your average Joe/Jane. People would always say "It must be really fast!" and I would just laugh it off and tell them that it was quick at best.

Now, to make one thing clear so this doesn't become a hate thread, I still have my FR-S and will not be selling it.

With that said, I bought a Genesis 3.8 Track last week. Why? I wanted what I didn't buy a year ago. I can't say that I'm 100% satisfied with the Genesis but it's a faster, smoother ride. The clutch is decent but the gear box is a bit clunky. The traction control is not as good as the FR-S but when you shut it off you are far less likely to lose control than when you turn it off in the FR-S. I'm still getting used to the lower redline but it'll be ok. Interior is no contest and goes to the Genesis. Exterior win obviously goes to the FR-S but the Genesis does look more "adult" than the youth appeal of the FR-S. Handling goes to the FR-S but the Genesis is no slouch.

They really are in completely different categories even though they always get lumped together. I know most people realistically can't have both in their driveway, but if you are able to then go for it.

I recently test drove one. It happened to be the turbo automatic version. Imo it wasn't what I was expecting power wise. Could be because it was an auto. But when ever I tried to build boost it would shift even in manual mode. In a straight line it was quick. Still felt like a tank. As for interior I wish some of the things came standard for the frs. I told myself I wouldn't miss the moon roof. ( I'm in orrgon, it rains like 10 months of the year) and here I find myself wanting a moon roof. If I were to get another car. I would personally get an s2k.

I test drove the manual 2.0 T, it was quite weak. I test drove the 3.8 Automatic and it was full of power, however it doesn't slip on making aggressive turns like you do in the FRS. That's what I liked about the FRS, the easy oversteer.

Genesis and FR-S are too different in characteristic. But if you are a driver type of person, you wouldn't appreciate Genesis that much.

If you are looking for RWD sport car, convertible, and power together. Why not a used Lexus SC ? that thing is V8 powered, and all the luxurious you need.

I totally agree with Chen, a more driver car would be the S2K. S2K is the best of both worlds (Miata + FRS) together

I was actually looking at people who went FI on a 3.8 geneis. Put close to 420whp isn't to shabby. That would be something I would consider.

Edit- bigger rear sways should fix that oversteer issue the Genesis doesn't have.

There is a section for "VS" threads. This belongs there.

i work for hyundai..

that being said, i LOVE my BRZ..

the genesis coupes is considered a grand touring vehicle, very heavy and not nimble.
best bang for your buck though..

You live in rainy state, and want a convertible?

It's nice that you get to have both. I also test drove the Gen coupes and only went with the BRZ for the price and fun factor. I'll agree that the 2.0T is a joke, but the 3.8 was a much more impressive beast. Nonetheless, it was just too big and heavy for me. I wanted my first manual car to be lightweight and nimble.

We already have a thread for this....what is with all these pointless posts in general lately?

Yup. No reason. Just want one.

The Genesis isn't a very good value. You can get a Mustang or a Camaro with a V8 for the same price as the 3.8. If you're going to be driving a larger car, you might as well get something that has 400+ horsepower.

That's what I was going to say. Prices for the 2014 mustang gt are dropping fast. For the same price you get a faster car that is easier to modify, has better build quality, better resale value, and is better looking(imo).

genesis is a nice car, i really liked it. but doesnt handle like the frs. because of the weight and the weight distribution.

its really not a bad car, its up to the taste of each person. it took me 3 years to decide witch car i really wanted, i have looked the genesis, mustang and the frs.

i went with the frs, just because i really really like how it handle in the corner.

Why would you want to buy the worst car in the history of the world?

He might be referring to the older SC400 which is a very good car, today its only flaw is its very old now. I do agree though that the SC430 looked absolutely terrible, its extremely expensive and from most reviewers say it rides bad and is apparently awful to drive. Worst Lexus ever made, without a doubt.

And the fact that you could only get it with an auto trans.

SC400 was a coupe not a convertible.

Oh crap...I forgot the convertible Soarer I've seen was not done by the factory.

yeah but ugly and convertible only...
 

Yeah but the lines are too straight and it's only available in convt...

Jaden

That awkward moment when you get kinda excited and think you see another FRS from far away and then it gets closer................


:bs::bonk:

Haha I did the same thing with a corolla s the other day.. I never mistake the DRLs from a BRZ though, its always so looow

If all you want is power in a GT then I'd say a 370Z is a better choice. You're getting 330HP for $30k from a naturally aspirated motor.

I was right there with you as well. Either the Genesis (3.8 R-Spec) or the BRZ. Test drove the Genesis first, thought it was awesome, really fast!. Then I went to test the BRZ for giggles and just bought one, no regrets haha. Genesis tranny is horrible >.>. Sadly for that car the Automatic is better than the manual, but keeping with the Genesis line, if I want a comfy car, would definitely opt for the Genesis Sedan :D

lol, that styling line in the rear window always kills me

Doesn't the BRZ Limited close both those gaps considerably? The BRZ looks more mature than the FRS, IMO.

I liked my brother in law's GenCoupe 3.8 MT, but I still can't get around the lines of the car - to me it just doesn't look like all the lines fit with one another. I certainly did like the power of the 3.8, but my BRZ Limited with the Phantom ESC isn't that far away from the power to weight ratio of the Genesis, looks better, handles better and I like it better. But to each his own.

If I could afford both... I'd probably buy a Cayman. :D

The entire front end (hood bumper lights) and rear passenger windows are ugly to me. I like the back of the vehicle and ive never seen the interior before.
It's a Hyundai tho i just can't see myself buying one when I have always been a enthusiasts of Japanese cars

How its the same car with minor front bumper difference..lol..that doesnt make sense
...But then again thats something a BRZ owner would say, my car is more mature then your FRS lmao

I could see the BRZ looking more mature(aka expensive) than a base FRS simply due to the base FRS headlights and lack of foglights. The little extras on a FRS really makes a difference IMO.


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Still doesnt make sense in that logic if your talking about price.....in that case the new Yellow FRS with all those 'mature' expensive TRD parts is 30k+ more mature oh and the 10 series also is that less "mature" then a BRZ???

True, I tried to test drive a Gen coupe but the dealer was acting like it was a ferrari. After I bought my car they called me asking if i was still interested, lol

The entire BRZ is more "mature" debate is kind of lost to me also.

But I can unerstand people viewing the BRZ as more "mature". By virtue the BRZ limited has a less aggressive (in opinion, you could word it as less radical and still convey the same message), a less aggressive*(there is that word again) instument cluster and dash accents, Alcantara interior, illuminated vanity mirrors, illuminated door lights (WTF is the technical term for those?), trunk liner, softer rear springs etc etc.

But those opinions were originally formulated before the likes of the 10 series (some could argue that the 10 series is a kids toy with all the lights etc), monogram (probably the one closest to a GT86, and directly comparable with a limited brz), and release series FR-S (which with the radical color and aero could be deemed as immature also).

But they are both equally fun to drive and the FRS is "Technically" less expensive. (I really think 1g give or take is not a material difference, especially when financing.)

Creature comforts is the industry lingo for those "luxury" items

Right. And an older (more mature) person is more likely to be swayed by those creature comforts. Where a less "mature" person would actually not mind the space invaders everywhere, and actually may think it looks cool.

Someone just concerned with FR layout as the deciding factor on his next car purchase isn't necissarily immature either. And decided to purchase a FRS over the BRZ because he saved a few bucks. That is actually a very mature decision as the FRS delivered exactly what he wanted and at less cost.

I don't consider myself very "mature" but I did like the interior and exterior of the BRZ a lot more than the FRS and thought it was worth my extra money.

I think the mature decision is buying the car you want because of your own reasons. Not because you think scion is an immature brand or subaru is a mature one.

That said, badge snobbery is a very real and common thing. I like how this car accentuates that because it is so similar yet some people feel so strongly about the badge.

I'm not talking just about price, I'm talking more about creature comforts which tends to bump up the price. A Lotus Elise and a Loaded Camry might sell for the same price, but obviously the Camry will be viewed as the more "mature" car.

The brands alone (Subaru vs. Scion) is a good reason why the BRZ is viewed as more mature. Most people wouldn't consider Scion as a "mature" brand. Even though old people love them. :bellyroll:

Where does an intense dislike of touchscreens put me on the 'maturity spectrum'?

You mean shit responsiveness touch screen?

I mean that I don't want a touchscreen in my car, it was one of the reasons I bought a Scion over a Subaru, regardless of quality of touchscreen.