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Raven604 07-03-2014 08:34 PM

Is this the right Pentosin mtf-2
 
Was just in Lordco auto parts in Maple Ridge here just outside Vancouver and noticed they had this stuff. It's the right stuff yes?


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Raven604 07-03-2014 08:36 PM

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roddy 07-03-2014 09:25 PM

That's the stuff. My bottles were/are grey rather than white, but the label says the right things.

R2 07-03-2014 10:21 PM

Jesus that's pricy.

Raven604 07-03-2014 11:17 PM

I get 10% off at least >. >

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OICU812 07-04-2014 02:14 AM

Yup that's the tranny goodness gold. :)

roddy 07-04-2014 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by R2 (Post 1829123)
Jesus that's pricy.



Sure is...but worth every penny. If you shop around, a better deal can be had. I've paid just over $20/liter locally.

R2 07-04-2014 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by roddy (Post 1829541)
Sure is...but worth every penny. If you shop around, a better deal can be had. I've paid just over $20/liter locally.

I believe I recall you mentioning trying out many other oils before settling on Pentosin. Was one of them Redline MTL? I've got that in there now, and it feels ok, but I'm not overly sold on it yet. It seems like Pentosin is reviewed better, but not many have done the MTL route it seems.

roddy 07-05-2014 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by R2 (Post 1829688)
I believe I recall you mentioning trying out many other oils before settling on Pentosin. Was one of them Redline MTL? I've got that in there now, and it feels ok, but I'm not overly sold on it yet. It seems like Pentosin is reviewed better, but not many have done the MTL route it seems.


I haven't tried a full fill with MTL...only a couple of blends. The 1st one was MTL/Honda MTF (the thinner one). That was just an experiment to see how the transmission would act with a thinner than stock fluid. I used that blend because that's what I had on the shelf at the time. This worked much better for the 1-2 shift, but once warmed up, there was a slight catch on the 2-3 shift.
The 2nd one was 1L MTL and 1.3L MT90 (I believe I said 1.3L MTL/1L MT90 in another post, but I checked my records, and that was incorrect). This one worked pretty good...almost as good as Pentosin except for the 1-2 shift when cold (still far better than the stock fill). I drive my car year 'round in Canada, and the outside temp had to be well below freezing before the 1-2 shift got miserable.


Redline has recently changed the viscosity rating on the MTL. I'm not sure if there is any actual difference in the fluid, but the stuff I bought last summer was 70W80. More recent bottles (and now the website) list it as 75W80 (same as Pentosin).

R2 07-05-2014 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by roddy (Post 1830591)
I haven't tried a full fill with MTL...only a couple of blends. The 1st one was MTL/Honda MTF (the thinner one). That was just an experiment to see how the transmission would act with a thinner than stock fluid. I used that blend because that's what I had on the shelf at the time. This worked much better for the 1-2 shift, but once warmed up, there was a slight catch on the 2-3 shift.
The 2nd one was 1L MTL and 1.3L MT90 (I believe I said 1.3L MTL/1L MT90 in another post, but I checked my records, and that was incorrect). This one worked pretty good...almost as good as Pentosin except for the 1-2 shift when cold (still far better than the stock fill). I drive my car year 'round in Canada, and the outside temp had to be well below freezing before the 1-2 shift got miserable.


Redline has recently changed the viscosity rating on the MTL. I'm not sure if there is any actual difference in the fluid, but the stuff I bought last summer was 70W80. More recent bottles (and now the website) list it as 75W80 (same as Pentosin).

I replaced the fluid in January which let me directly compare stock to MTL in the cold. We had a couple of -30C days right after and the MTL was definitely lighter feeling and shifted easier, but I don't know if I'd say it was "better" feeling or not - the notchiness was still there. The 1-2 shift did not improve drastically either, even up to about 0C I was often "locked out" of that shift. Part of my issue is that for a lot of my driving, the engine, let alone the transmission, doesn't warm up completely when the ambient is below ~-5C. Simply because my drive to work is less than 15min. Longer drives did see the transmission working much better.

Now that it's summer, I'm almost thinking that I prefer the feel of stock, but it's hard to tell. I don't doubt that the MTL is a better oil, especially for winter, but I'm curious about Pentosin and will likely make the effort to try it out next time.

Rocket.BRZ 07-05-2014 09:06 PM

Get some

MT90 gl-4 with 1 quart of Lightweight Shock Proof .

I've tried pentosin in this car. This cocktail is much much better.

unsurety 07-05-2014 09:41 PM

WOW, thank god I have a connect for parts hookup.

Still, no regrets about getting it.

qqzj 07-06-2014 01:49 AM

The worst part of MTF change is that everything fluid has mixed reviews. Some say:
1. Motul is better
2. Pentosin is better
3. Redline is better
4. Amsoil is better
5. Stock is better
6. Mix is better
7. Ford's stuff is better.
Some say:
1. Motul is worse than stock
2. Pentosin is worse than stock
3. Redline is worse than stock
4. Amsoil is worse than stock
5. Stock is worse than all others.
The confusing opinion is the only thing that prevents me from an MTF change. Do not want my money and effort go down the drain.

Dezoris 07-07-2014 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by qqzj (Post 1831391)
The worst part of MTF change is that everything fluid has mixed reviews. Some say:
1. Motul is better
2. Pentosin is better
3. Redline is better
4. Amsoil is better
5. Stock is better
6. Mix is better
7. Ford's stuff is better.
Some say:
1. Motul is worse than stock
2. Pentosin is worse than stock
3. Redline is worse than stock
4. Amsoil is worse than stock
5. Stock is worse than all others.
The confusing opinion is the only thing that prevents me from an MTF change. Do not want my money and effort go down the drain.

I keep saying this but there is a manufacturing variance in these transmissions. What works well in some transmissions does not work well in others. Unfortunately you won't get a straight answer.

If your trans is very resistant to shift 1st to 2nd to 3rd and you are in a colder area Pentosin is a VERY good option to test. If you are getting notchiness when warm or problems with 4-5 or 6th it probably won't do anything.

504 07-09-2014 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dezoris (Post 1833264)
I keep saying this but there is a manufacturing variance in these transmissions. What works well in some transmissions does not work well in others. Unfortunately you won't get a straight answer.

If your trans is very resistant to shift 1st to 2nd to 3rd and you are in a colder area Pentosin is a VERY good option to test. If you are getting notchiness when warm or problems with 4-5 or 6th it probably won't do anything.

Also we're forgetting the biggest variable of them all; the driver. The "performance" of the oil is all feel and opinion of the user and after dumping 100 bucks and a couple hours of time replacing fluid with something name brand, its easy to let placebo effect skew opinion on how well the oil is actually working. I think the quoted bit in bold is a fair assumption as peoples results have been fairly consistent with that statement


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