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poptopclk 06-15-2014 03:17 PM

Is this DoAble?
 
Let's say I choose the Jackson SC install....


Would it be possible to:
not use the SC except on track days?
BY:
  • removing the extra-long serpentine belt replacing stock belt
  • by-passing the intercooler and routing air like stock
  • using the stock ECU tune
then on track day change intake routing back, put on long belt & replace ECU tune.

gramicci101 06-15-2014 03:30 PM

Why would you?

poptopclk 06-15-2014 03:57 PM

Don't need it for daily driving... Wear & Tear.. engine life..cooler engine... ect..


In the software tuning section it looks like you can switch ROMS with the cruise control switch.


The serpentine belt takes a couple of minutes at most


The intake looks bothersome how about a Y coupling w a butterfly valve to choose NA or FI ?

sw20kosh 06-15-2014 04:10 PM

Your engine will not be hotter while daily driving with the SC installed. It will only get hotter if you take advantage of the SC's boost.

Having oil sit in the SC and the oil lines/pump is not a good idea. The system is meant to be in circulation during heat cycles.

I wouldn't do it.

suaveflooder 06-15-2014 04:11 PM

If you're not on it, it's basically not being used. Stay off the gas and then there is no need to remove anything

SalM 06-15-2014 04:12 PM

Stupidest thing I've ever heard . Just go the FI route or not. if you want a little more power at the track do full bolt ons and an E85 tune and make great power for daily driving and the track.

poptopclk 06-15-2014 04:28 PM

huh?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by suaveflooder (Post 1797605)
If you're not on it, it's basically not being used. Stay off the gas and then there is no need to remove anything



If it's connected by the serpentine belt it is being used, all the intake air is going thru it at all RPM's and it's hard not to drive the car without using some rpm's so ...

suaveflooder 06-15-2014 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by poptopclk (Post 1797628)
If it's connected by the serpentine belt it is being used, all the intake air is going thru it at all RPM's and it's hard not to drive the car without using some rpm's so ...

A supercharger is not always creating boost. You can even give it a fair amount of gas before boost is created. Air going through it yes, but if you drive it on a normal street and keep your foot out of the gas, the car is pretty much going to drive like it did stock. You are worried about "Wear & Tear.. engine life..cooler engine... ect.." and none of that is going to be effected by a supercharger that isn't creating boost.

gramicci101 06-15-2014 04:46 PM

Maybe a turbo kit would work better for you? Or an electric supercharger?

dabocx 06-15-2014 04:55 PM

Just get a upgraded rad and oil cooler if your worried about heat. Just keep it on

woode 06-15-2014 04:56 PM

OP To be honest, I think you should do a lot more research on the topic..

Akari 06-16-2014 03:56 AM

Possible? -Yes. Is it really saving you anything? -No.

You're just making more components to fail, more human error to be made and you'll be essentially testing out your supercharger for the first time on the track every time.

Just leave it on like a normal person, the drawbacks are very, very minimal.

King Tut 06-16-2014 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by poptopclk (Post 1797522)
Let's say I choose the Jackson SC install....


Would it be possible to:
not use the SC except on track days?
BY:
  • removing the extra-long serpentine belt replacing stock belt
  • by-passing the intercooler and routing air like stock
  • using the stock ECU tune
then on track day change intake routing back, put on long belt & replace ECU tune.

Why would you need the extra power only on the track? Are you doing time trials or just trying to win an HPDE cup? The JRSC runs a relatively low amount of horsepower and an even lower amount of torque that I don't see causing any kind of wear & tear or reduction in engine life for daily driving.

FR-S Matt 06-16-2014 11:49 AM

Pretty sure you can daily drive a supercharger without flooring it. If you're keeping the RPM's under 3.5k and driving normally, you shouldn't be putting strain on it. The power is there if you need it, but just like any car whether N/A or FI.... if you floor it everywhere you go, you are wearing down the engine quicker.

ramiram1984 06-16-2014 12:17 PM

Again, why would you?

poptopclk 06-16-2014 08:49 PM

because
 
I like the way the card drives on the street in its oem state.


I like the gas mileage the stock motor gets.


With a heavy left foot it is plenty fast as a daily driver.


I am quite happy with that "feel"


On the track it is seriously underpowered...


I doubt not having the belt on the SC and running it daily would do anything bad to it, anymore than when you park the car for a while.


I was actually thinking an electric clutch like the a/c compressor has, servo powered intake valve and with ECUtek live rom switching with the cruise control stalk I could have SC on demand.

cdrazic93 06-16-2014 09:03 PM

This is how I see it:

Of the FI options (the real ones not the ESC), the turbo is obviously the most complicated and expensive and least reliable.

That being said, an SC on this motor is more reliable, cheaper, simpler, running minimal boost, etc. obviously the stress put on the engine is there true. But there are several members on this forum with >300whp who have a significant amount if miles on it without any problems. 90% of the reliability comes from the tune, get a proper tune and you'll have a nice and happy motor.

Plus the SC allows for an OEM+ type of driving feel.

QED: your plan would be more hastle avoiding something that's not nessecarily going to hurt the car's characteristics or engine.

CoupedUpSubie 06-16-2014 09:37 PM

I'm with the FI or not crowd. By adding in a bypass to switch back and forth you are asking for boost leaks when running the supercharger. As for swapping the belt or an electric clutch setup you are baking the oil in the SC when you are driving, it is not the same as when you park the car. Oil works best when it is continuously circulated.

Do you NEED more power on the track? Have you upgraded you suspension and tires? When people ask about how to make their car faster there are four things I normally see from knowledgable people. Driver, brakes, tires, suspension.

cdrazic93 06-16-2014 09:47 PM

There is other options, such as a full exhaust, and E85 tune.

Or full exhaust and BPB + tune.

Both will net around 190-200whp.

woode 06-16-2014 10:14 PM

Sounds like you should turbo it if anything then, a turbo on the bigger side to be specific. Very very easy to stay out of boost and your gas mileage will go up if anything. Zero strain on the engine.

If you really wanted to go all out stupid with it, you could rig the waste-gate open when you aren't at the track and not build boost at all really ..although that would be pretty pointless IMO.

I average 33 MPG. I can commute to work and back without even seeing boost very easily, including merging onto a highway at a decent rate of acceleration. And, if needed.. rev it out a little and step on it and bam! 20 pounds of fury!

CoupedUpSubie 06-16-2014 11:28 PM

Fullblown also just released cams, not sure if they will work with N/A or not.

CSG Mike 06-17-2014 07:25 AM

You could, but there's zero point.

If you've looked at the installation manual, you'd know that the pulley layout is changed, so you can't use a stock belt. You could, however, use a different sized belt to bypass the supercharger completely.

You have nothing to gain. At daily driving speeds/RPMs, you won't lose a significant amount of MPG unless you can't control your right foot.

SloS14 06-20-2014 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by poptopclk (Post 1799706)
With a heavy left foot it is plenty fast as a daily driver.

Do you like clutch really hard or something?


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