What would you pay for a used FRS with nice parts?
 

So I'm really trying to open up Pandora's box here, but I'd like to think it could yield some good results. I'm so off-and-on with this car that at I'm at a crossroads as far as what I'm going to do with it. Fuck man I just mounted my first set of TEs on the thing and I still don't 'love' the car I drive...if you can't love your car after you put Volk wheels on it then what the fuck are you doing? Really?





How much would you expect to pay for a 2013 'Raven Black' FRS with the following parts:

TE37RT in 17x9.5+40
235/40R17 Yokohama S.Drive (less than 100 Miles)
Battle Version Toe Arms
Powered By Max Rear LCAs
Nichiei Racing Project BLACK Coilovers
TOM'S LED Tail Lights (JDM ones)
9,335 Miles

KBB puts this car at just under $21,000. Factor in close to $6,000 in the aforementioned parts and it comes out to ~$27,000.

This, of course, is from a seller's standpoint. What would someone looking to buy this thing with all parts included expect to pay? I don't care if your feedback is a 'lowball' or not because I'm at the point where I know I'm either selling it or stuck with it. I normally never take losses on cars/parts but this year I've added the military to the equation and with that comes time restraints. Time restraints = less time to sell/more eager to get shit out of my face = less income or a loss.

So, please...give me some input. Old guys and young kids who's parents paid for your car alike: give me your input.


-D.

Aftermarket parts add little to no value. So don't think to add $6k.

Maybe 24k, aftermarket parts don't necessarily increase the value of the car.

Aftermarket parts valued at ~50% I'd say, so $24K. With a modded car, you're hoping someone has the EXACT same taste as you...

You would be better going back to stock and selling the parts separately.

^ If you do take this route. Sell me your PBM LCA's. :)

Well, I would like to know who did the craftsman ship...Then I would desire to know how the car was driven...If someone really raced the car (often..) and told me I would not buy it, If he didn't race it (on the track) I still would be vary hesitant to buy it as they may have raced it on the street...Used sports cars are a huge red flag to me unless I know the buyer personally. For example my friend may drive a M3 that isn't a "racer" I may purchase from them or my sister in law ( a typical driver, not racer). From some stranger off the street, it makes me vary cautious, especially this car! I wouldn't do it, as that is why I went new, I know how the car was driven and taken care of. Yeah, I wouldn't recommend buying used cars. I would think maybe 23500 assuming no warranty.

Well said!!! Then I would consider paying much more!! It gives the impression that it was better taken care of.

It doesn't matter what KBB says your car is worth. What is the market like? How many miles are on your car? Do you have all of the maintenance history for it? I can find a FRS for 18-20k listed price in my area, so figure maybe actually 17.5-19 actual selling price. I'd go maybe 20 on yours and that's only because of the wheels. The rest of the parts actually lower the value of your car and if it's something I as the buyer ultimately don't like, now I have to take the time to put the stock parts on if they're included. And if they're not, I have to replace them.

THIS!! Some dipshit on facebook said I should ask $18k for my car because it was modded, it "decresed the value" he said. KBB is around $20,000. Needless to say, he was wrong. I got quite a few offeres on a car with 20k miles, and in an accident when i put if up for $22k. Lowest serious offer I got was $21k. I ended up backing out because I can't think of another car that I would rather have, truthfully. With your mods, I'm thinking $23k-$24k is a good place to start and be willing to give a bit. You want the most out of your car, I agree with parting it out.

PS-I'm hoping he's on here, see's this thread and feels like a fool.

LOVE my FR-S, stock wheels and all. How about just sell the car and keep the wheels, since those seem to mean more to you than the car!

Well I certainly got some good feedback. I'd say it's 50/50 on what I'd agree upon.

Let me add some info:
-this is not my first time selling a car
-I know what a part-out is
-I'm not a teenager
-the car is garage-kept, covered with sheets
-I'm not of the belief that aftermarket parts decrease value



I wasn't crystal clear and I apologize. For all intents and purposes let's say you LIKE ALL THE PARTS I've added thus far. I installed them myself with my father in-law (more pro-steez tools than Pep Boys, 38yrs of being a mechanic), I have all the receipts for purchases, and the mileages at which they were installed.


Please keep in mind that I haven't even owned the car as long as most of you have. It will be 1yr on 04JUL14. My mileage is listed and compared to some other Private FS ads it's very low.


Please try not to throw in other things like, "Well does your father in-law have a business card?" If you're going to tell me you'd say shit like that when your purchasing a car I'd venture to say you're not a 'car person' and would most likely love to appear as one. Stay objective.

It's a matter of opinion. Someone wants your car with aftermarket parts and doesn't want to pay for them because they 'decrease value'...then you offer to put OEM ones back on and they want the price lowered? By their logic you should ask for MORE in OEM form?

How are my suspension components made out of superior material and capable of wide ranges of adjustments decreasing value? I'm not talking about a shitty carbon-wrapped hood that's only for aesthetics.


I'll just come out and say it: if you try to get a car with aftermarket parts on the cheap then we're not going to agree on things. I guarantee that not one of you guys saying parts decrease in value fresh-out-the-box would sell a used part for less than 85% of it's original value. By that logic, all coilovers in the FS threads would be $700 and TE37s would cost $1500.

That's ludicrous.

Completly agree with you. He was telling me I could sell the car for $2k more if I put the stock parts back on and sold it in stock form….basically, getting rid of the Toms, TSW's, Kartboy shifter, springs, intake, headlights and on and on. Basically get rid of everything, that first off, is harmess on the car, and second, usually tend to be the first mods anyway.

I'd be more apt to shy away from turbo/supercharger setups because you don't know how that car has been driven. If someone spent the coin on that type of thing then you best believe they used it. I'm not saying that's bad. I'm just saying that coilovers and suspension parts don't mean I do Mach 3 everyday. If anything you can see that I lowered it the right way and used all necessary parts to eliminate toe and camber. Caster isn't an issue with this drop.



I'm not trying to call anyone out. I'm trying to debate. There's a difference between an internet squabble and a debate on a forum.

Include all the stock parts, then I could see you selling it for a bit more. Otherwise, whoever gets it must really like TE's.

I have all my stock parts. I agree!!

EVERYONE LOVES TE37s.

However, I would sell them separately and put the car back to stock to get the most cash out of it.

Why 235s on a 9.5" wheel btw? Should be 255!

It comes down to once you start modding the car you are going to appeal to a smaller population of people who also like to mod their car to the same taste you have.

And the other problem you may find is that many people who like to mod their cars don't want to buy one that has already been modded to someone elses's taste. Many people enjoy the modding aspect and that is a big part of the fun for them (buying the parts and putting them on).

I think you are overthinking this. Put the car up for sale at the price you feel it is worth with the mods. Whether that is $26K or $22K and then let the market dictate to you the price.

Also look through the classifieds on here and see what other people have asked for with mods currently, and in the past and see what the general prices are and how long it is taking to sell the car. So much of this is regional and finding that one buyer out of a thousand or so who has the exact same taste as you in mods.

I have sold 3 highly modified cars already and while the "aftermarket parts don't add value" holds some truth it is all about time. How long are you willing to wait to get the right buyer.

On my first car, BMW Mroadster, I got a little over market value for the car with the parts on it but not much more.

The 911 I build I was able to find the perfect buyer for and actually made about $5,000 after I factored in the cost of the car and the parts and labor put in.

The last one, Infiniti M45, I made about $4,000 more that the car was worth stock but it was because I got a deal on the car and the parts I still came out ahead.

If you can wait it out then you have a shot at getting market value plus about 50% to 60% of the value of your parts. If you need to move it fast then part it out. Stock car will sell way faster.

Like many are saying, you'll definitely have a better chance selling your parts and selling the car stock

Nick C.

The only mods that add value to a car in most cases are things like Weathertech floor mats.

In this community, you ain't lying.

Personally to me, aftermarket parts decrease value on most cars because I don't think I would want the same exact things as the seller, it will be added hassle for me to get the car the way I want it.

That aside, if I decided I was going to put the same parts on, this is the car I would make anyway and I plan on buying the components if the car doesn't have them already, I would not pay real value of the car plus new value of the components, those components are used and as far as I know used hard and possibly installed poorly/incorrectly, I would expect used prices on the components.

$21k car with $6k worth of parts into it (assuming that's $6k for the parts new) I would say $24-25k is fair depending on condition and how much the buyer wants it.

If you're already devaluing the parts in your OP down to $6k from say >$8k you might be able to find a buyer for the whole $27k, but idk what that stuff is worth.

Oh and does this include the original parts? If not then knock some more off the pricetag, that $21k is for an OEM car, why would I pay $21k for an OEM car without OEM wheels, intake, head unit, etc. Some people don't value that stuff, others do.

What would one think to pay for a boosted FR-S 350whp and built motor? :P

You will get an overall better value for your time and effort if you swap back to stock and sell the parts separately. You will get a small upper to your KBB/NADA value if you leave the parts installed, but nowhere near what they cost you to begin with. But you already know this - it's been said several times in this thread.

If the reliability claims from this forum's FI section are anything to go by, I'd give you $1,500 for it. :lol:

Honestly, I wouldn't touch it.

21k for an unmolested stock Frs > than 24k (suspension molested) Frs just MHO.
think about it, would you want to buy someone else's modded Frs (or any modded car that wasn't modded to your personal taste)?
you may find a big fish willing to bite, but you're going to have to be patient.

i would pay for the same price i'd consider a bone stock one. unless the car is a complete show car built with quality top shelf parts and selling to another person who wants to continue with the show cars, mods dont really add any value to a "typical" daily driver. thats just my experience in selling my previous cars... and my frs is the 11th car ive owned.

Guys, for the love of whatever God you believe in:


I know what a part-out is.


I'm just trying to get community feedback for an as-is sale lol. I'll offer up another bit to chomp on:


If you wouldn't buy a vehicle with aftermarket parts and the OEM ones included then you are a lazy individual. You could (very easily) turn a profit if you replaced the aftermarket bits with the OEM components. I've done this a few times with older chassis' I've purchased in the past.

I think someone said they would "never buy a used car" and that solidifies the creeping sensation that I'm in the wrong community.

This has been really good thus far. I'll most likely end up keeping it because it's obvious that a lot of the SoCal kids are just that...kids. If my roof was carbon-wrapped or plasti-dipped I'm sure I could get a hell of a lot more than what I would ask. Shame.

Props to everyone for debating and not turning this into an e-argument.

I think if you have time to hold out and wait for the right buyer than you could probably get 25-26 as is. Now I know you are hating the part out stuff but the one thing I have found in the past is you will do better selling the volks separately. People buying the whole car for some reason always seem to not care about nice wheels. Especially with this car where the majority seem to be ok with replicas or knock offs.

Problem is you can't expect to get high dollar for used parts on this car when there are do many options out there. With that much out there there are always sales and not many pay retail even new. So when you have used parts they expect a "deal".

I can't find a price on your coils but it looks like maybe $1,000 retail? The control arms look like $200 and the tails are like 500. Can't find pricing or info on the toe arms either. If guess 200 or so?

So that is about $1900 retail without the rims. I figure you would be lucky to get 1200 to 1300 extra for that stuff. That is if you find someone who wants that combination and brand of parts.

So like $22,000 to $23,000 without the rims.

The coilovers are more than that and they're the only FRS set in the US...I think. LCA and tail light prices are spot on. Toe Arms aren't listed by Battle Version yet...I think I'm still the only FRS owner with a set right now.


Your 'math' is along the lines of how I view it...but like you said people on here don't even seem to know the difference Volk and Rota other than one is 'real' and one is 'fake' :bonk:

...I noticed you didn't point out tires either. I'm not saying you don't look for those kinds of things because you seem like you know what you're talknig about, but most kids nowadays don't know how important tires are and care how new they are. That's why I'm pretty sure I'll just keep the fucking thing lol.

Yup unfortunately the price point this car is sold at attracts a lot of young buyers and a lot of them just care about how it looks and how cheap you can get it. They don't look at quality, safety and actual performance.

I know that the TE would sell pretty quick and for a descent price by themselves. A buddy of mine already sold a set used for this car.

Aside from the what is it worth why don't you love the car? Meaning what is it lacking? POWWWWWA?



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Mods don't add value to a car (unless they're performance parts from the maker, like genuine TRD parts). Just food for thought. If the wheels are in great shape, that's all I'd add value to. And only add value if you get all stock parts with the car as well. Otherwise just pay face value.

Not 100% true. I have sold 3 highly modified cars in the past and actually made a profit on 2. The mods do not add value to the majority of people but if you have the time and patience to wait for the right buyer they can.

Stock car and parting out will go faster but not always for more.


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Sure you can sucker anyone with enough time i guess lol. The only advantage in mods is if a buyer was going to do it anyway. But since 2 people rarely have the same taste, selling a modded car is usually pretty difficult, especially for a profit. But given enough time, sure it'll sell.

It's all about finding someone who wants to mod the car but does not have the time, knowhow or patience to do it.

Most of my cars are pretty "clean" so they appeal to a wide audience.


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