Why is nobody making catted UEL headers except ft86speedfactory?
 

WHY!? Their lead time is ridiculous, and I get it. But why aren't there any others out there?

Just a guess, but probably because a catted UEL generates less power overall? Which probably means less interest from buyers. Plus I'd imagine most people with catted headers don't get a tune to preserve the warranty/emissions as much as possible. I went with a catless UEL and tune specifically because I wanted to make more use able power.

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The high flow spun metallic cats are not very restrictive IMO. They will still make good numbers. I have a catted UEL here, has never been tested or posted about, weren't sure if we wanted to pursue them. The cat required for it is more expensive than the one used in the EL header, the runner layout is also quite a bit different than our non catted UEL. There's also no absolute guarantee that you won't eventually throw a CEL on stock tune nor pass emissions in places like California. Basically we weren't sure if the price increase could be justified with the only guarantee being maybe passing a visual inspection and reducing noise/rasp.

You would never pass smog in CA as replacing any cat with anything but OEM would cause you to fail.

We need MORE (EL) catted options if anything. :):drool:

I don't too many people are worried about emissions and most would rather have one cat in the front pipe

Why is nobody making catted UEL headers except ft86speedfactory?
 

Some places require the same amount of cats as factory, here they do a visual inspection to make sure you have whatever was put in place by the factory.

Sorry I guess I am just venting because I am getting a SC and tune in Aug and can't find a catted UEL before sept-oct if I order it today.. Lead times are excessive.

My catted header sits on a shelf, cat is toast,literally it just a ball that will pass out thru the tail pipe one of these days

Avoid catted header.

I'll sell you mine for $3k.

sounds like some people need to slip their emmisions guys a 50 or swap the stock header back on the car for testing... w00t for living in a becauseracecar state with no inspections lol

Bingo

Fitting the OEM cat to this header would cost more but last for the lifetime of the vehicle and never throw a code. Expensive, yes. But if this will be a solution than it could be worth it in the long run.

If this could be made so the OEM cat could be welded on then I would go for it.

The OEM cat is a big restriction though, WAY worse than a good high flow cat.

The answers are very simple.
A catted aftermarket header is just as illegal for carb as no cat at all.
A catted header is more expensive to manufacture and can't be ceramic coated on the inside
A Catted header is generally believed to produce less performance gains.

All of these reasons are powerful disincentives to develop and produce catted aftermarket headers.

P&L makes one.

It's a seller's market, really. How much is it worth to them?

HKS makes catted headers as well

Well clearly the HUGE wait time for the FT86 Speed Factory should show that there is a consumer interest out there...

I will not pretend to be an expert at header development, however, my technical background has shown me that there are a number of ways to approach header design. JDL, Borla, Nameless, HKS, and FT-86SpeedFactory have all produced headers of different forms, producing different numbers and sounds.

At the end of the day a customer has to look at a company's customer service reputation, quality, design, performance and plug-n-play capability. I knew I wanted a catted header to pass visual inspection (the rest is more a wave of the hand if you know the right people...:cheers:). I also chose UEL since I felt it better fit the platform, sound, and general upgrade path I have planned (no forced induction).

FT-86SpeedFactory has created a header that can work bolted on, with or without a tune. So for those looking to take one step at a time, it is ideal (tune later).

So you ran lean and melted it or to rich and burned it up...........I wonder where the fault is at, the header or lack of / bad tune?

My Catted header works just fine, but it is an equal length header as I want performance over sound.

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Not trying to sound like an ass here but this sentence doesn't make much sense. I get the decision for a EL header but if you wanted top end power that bad you would have gone uncatted for best results. Also UEL's have proven time and time again to make a ton of power especially JDL's UEL. it makes more peak power than many EL headers and being uncatted will probably perform just as well if not better than your catted EL.

JDL UEL on stock car + panel filter made ~188hp
HKS EL with full exhaust made ~195hp

edit: also see http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...postcount=1932 for FT86SF tuned tuned info to match up with tuned JDL UEL and HKS EL power numbers listed above.

If your going supercharger, Don't even worry about a header. Its a waste of money. Stick with stock. I rather dump money into a flex flue kit (if you have E85) which will net you way more power then a header.

Because a cat that close to your engine block is robbing you of easy power.

let's review 1 it is illegal to replace a catalytic converter unless it is defective that is federal law. 2 switching out to a header with a catalytic converter does nothing for power. so therefore 3 you're wasting your money go catless or don't go at all.

Ha, wow. You obviously have done no research or you are just plain ignorant.

It is most certainly not a waste of money. If I did any type of FI, the first thing I would change is the header.

Well then you have looked at many dyno's have you :sigh: The headers do not add much on the supercharger side. Like I said Flex Fuel would be a much wiser choice

Try more like 8 $50s. And thats if you can find someone willing still.

Swapping back to stock is really the best way.

I didn't say that there could be things that might be more beneficial. However, if I'm going to do it, I'm going to do it right and spend the money to squeeze all the power out I can. Which is why I would go turbo if anything.

Correct. I am not saying there is not power to be gained, but its not alot and for ppl in CA its worth to spend your $$$ else where then on a header unless you want a certain sound...

in my opinion the only other better spent money is a E85 set up or a CARB supercharger kit. while i would love to go E85 there are only 2 pumps within a 20+ mile radius so its just not feasible for my daily driver. As for the supercharger I dont have 5 grand to throw down on a kit right now. I could get a tune but i dont feel like paying a bunch of money to screw with my ECU right now. (just in case i need warranty work done) So to me the next best thing is a header.

Oh without a super charger, a tune+header is the way to. I highly recommend the OFT and OFH header combo. Its by far the best 1000$ you can spend on performance mods. The header really does not shine without the tune.

the easiest way to deal with the cali thing is to move... i've yet to figure out why people want to live there... i was even more confused when i was in SanFran and Sonoma for a race at infinion lol

Buying an FR-S is robbing you of easy power.

200 cell magna flow in a Perrin pipe

... I don't know what to make if this. Your the confused one

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Thanks, I liked that.

Cali FTL is what you should make of it lol.

why would anyone want to live in South Carolina?

there is a lot more to Cali than 2 cities. just some food for thought.