Losing control
 

Have anyone experienced losing control of your FRS/86 with stock tyres on a slippery or snowy twisty road despite traction assistance kicking-in only to save your car in the end somehow?

Plenty of times

Yes I have.

Yes, all the time.

I feel like this is not a car-specific event...

Yes, but, now I turn off the nannies (short of doing the pedal dance). I'm pretty sure I do a better job.

Plenty of times, nearly ended up in a ditch once - just get better tires

It does it on purpose.

Once on a ramp the rear started to step out, I tried to give it more gas but the TC kicked in hard. I never had a car with TC before and as it took the power away from me I tried to give it more throttle and before I knew what happened I was stopped sideways on the ramp. I realized after it was the TC and had I lifted off the throttle a bit I probably wouldn't have almost binned it. Oh well live and learn.

Was going around a turn the other day the same speed as always -- kinda fast. Usually do fine in my daily but I guess the tires in the 86 couldn't hold and I did a skid. Had traction control on, too.

Those tires are both a curse and a blessing.

I'm running stock tires with nannies on and have never had an issue.. and I've taken some pretty sharp corners even on gravel and still no problem with feeling out of control even in a slide. Seriously the easiest RWD car I have ever owned. With all the poor reviews on the tires I was expecting them to be bad and IMO they are fine

It's more than likely driver error. I've had the back end come out maybe like twice when I wasn't paying attention but when I put my mind to it, there is quite a lot of grip. Enough for the street at least.

So you're asking if anybody had traction problems on snow because they are on summer tires?

Okay.

I've never lost control of my GT86 on public roads. I'd be terrified and ashamed if that ever happened.
I don't drive in snow on stock tyres, either. That's just plain stupid. I've got proper winter tyres for snow and ice conditions.

Summer tires on snowy roads: Big no-no. You want a crashed car? That's how you get a crashed car.

He must be worried about rain. I am pretty sure it never snows in Hong Kong.

Well he mentionned snow, hence my comment.

In the wet, you have to be careful. In the winter, you need snow tires, full stop.

You can't beat physics.

I live in South Florida, no issues here. Just saying. Stay safe.

I think that happened to me, was driving on wet gravel after raining and the car basically lost control, not sure if it slid but my car is automatic with sports mode on, reacted differently as compared to normal mode. Basically car was out of balance, swaying left and right, traction control blinked crazily, tried my best to adjust her back to control, it was at a roundabout and there was a truck on my left, fucking scared the shit out of me lol.

The car is all stock, spare tyre removed, with front tower strut bar added, maybe it's imbalanced?

From my experience, if your "losing control" on the stock tires. Your doing something wrong. I've taken turns at double to triple the posted speed without an issue with nannies on and off. Tires have never broke loose without me knowingly making them. Now obviously for snow, this is a different story. The stock tires are NOT snow tires.

What's the posted speed?

Anywhere from 25-45 posted for specific turns. (Not the streets speed limit, the individual turns posted "suggestion")

As a side note, me and a friend ran the tail of the dragon maintaining ~45-48mph with no loss of control in either car. And ran the skyway maintaining ~75-80mph with no loss of control.

Car specs:
Mine: stock 6AT with axle back.
His: stock 6MT with cat back

Okay, but in my scenario, is 25 mph acceptable for a Roundabout turn (http://www.drivers.com/img/articles/334_roundabout1.jpg)?

I didn't check my speedometer but I guess the car should be around or less than 25 mph for that particular turn on a wet gravel floor on sports mode, then it lost control wtf lol.

Unless traction control is reduced with sports mode on? I think what I did was.. 1) Automatic with sports mode on.. 2) Enter turn around 20-25mph.. 3) Accelerated when the car is turning halfway with the gravel floor wet.

Can't believe those lousy Primacy tyres lost grip because of that small acceleration in power, ridiculous.

Eh, eh, I'll make everyone a deal that don't like the stock tires. I'll buy your set for 100 dollars.

And, if your an auto with only sport mode on, I would take it to the dealer, you should not be losing the nannies with just the "sport" mode on. You would at least need "vsc sport"

I felt like it almost got me in a wreck once when I made a mistake and someone was going a lot faster than I thought they were when I made a right turn. I was all like "go car" and my car was all like, "Whoa! what are trying to do?! unacceptable!"

I pulled a 90 turn at 35mph after a big rain storm. In the dry weather I usually get a nice slide and even have to counter steer most nights. That night however I must a hit a particularly wet spot and spun out as soon as I tried to counter steer. I had nannies off and the car in manual mode (shifter to the left) with it locked in second gear. Did a nice 120* spin but the car found its grip pretty fast.

Full stock

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I agree. Only time I lost control was in an empty parking lot lol. :burnrubber::burnrubber:

Stock tires != snow tires


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I live in socal...what is snow tires? *huehuehuehue*

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Any tire has a limit of traction, and varying levels in different conditions. Stock tires are summers, but high efficiency, so their grip level is rather low. Even lower in the rain. Even exceptionally lower in the snow...

Drive for the conditions within the limits of the equipment you're using. If the conditions are not within the envelope of the equipment, change the equipment or don't drive...

If the car suddenly lost control, it's honestly driver error pushing the car beyond the equipment limit or pushing beyond their own skill limit. The nannies are extremely effective at keeping the car pointed straight, unless the driver is trying to muck it up.

Remember we are all on public roads, not closed courses. Please keep it safe out there!

In 2 years, I've only involuntarily lost control once. Hit black ice through a turn, before I realized what was happening, the TC put me back on course. Not sure what would have happened if it had been off. My reflexes were definitely not as fast as the car's computer

You actually reminded me, there was ONE time I "lost control". Turning left from a stop under a bridge after the ice storm we had in January. Noticed ice under the bridge before I made the turn. Attempted to ease over it, tc kicked on and I made it safely. (Does that count as "losing control"? I didn't intentionally make the tires spin so I guess it does lol)

Pretty much one of the first things I do when i get a new car or new tires etc. is go find a big empty parking lot lot and test the limits of the car. With Nannies on and off. I'm not a big fan of surprises!
It is tail happy, but very forgiving, a little counter steer and it snaps right out of it. You could drift donuts all day if you have a relative that sells tires.

Drove 15 miles in this snow from work to home without an incident. Then I got stuck trying to turn the car around in my driveway. As stated above, the car is very forgiving even in low traction situations. At normal speeds the front tires always take you in the direction you are pointed. I plowed snow with the front bumper for a mile.

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Just be careful with high speed. The ease of driving this car, or any car, can be cancelled out by inertia.

"If you ain't ought of control you ain't in control!" - Bow Wow

This is what everybody should do. Learn to feel your car, how it responds, and how to control it. I've been doing this with every car I've owned, and I keep doing it. It's great fun, and it ensures I'm never surprised by the car on public roads.

Problem is there aren't enough parking space for cars in Hong Kong, let alone a big empty parking lot.

Lost control? -Never.

Lost traction? -Plenty of times!

My traction and stability control both default to off now so that I am in control of the car, not the VSC and TC systems. It's not a difficult car to control at all, especially after you've spent some time building up to, and finding the limit on a skidpad and track.

Right... I see the problem. How about track day, then? Any racing tracks that'll let you throw your car around a bit?

As a side note, I personally felt that the stock Primacy tyres didn't have enough traction for my taste and driving style, particularly in the wet.
So I'm currently running on Pilot Super Sport 225/45R17. Those have a LOT more traction.