Which is easier? FRS front or BRZ headlights?
 

I prefer the Frs front bumper, but I want at least the minimum of HID's. Would it be easier to purchase a BRZ and swap the front bumper for a FRS or purchase a FRS and swap in the HID's?? Keyless entry would be nice from the BRZ, but it's not a deal breaker.

Does anyone know if Scion plans on making HID's an option in the future? I'm not in a rush to purchase the vehicle, not sure if I'm deploying next year or not. If I don't deploy, I might purchase early next year. If I do, probably two years from now.

with the BRZ headlights there is also a electronic headlight adjustment in the cabin. So it probably would be easier to get the FRS bumper.

I personally think the front of the FR-S is fugly. That's just me though.

Those parts are already made for the scion by TRD. :burnrubber:

Personally, I would get really bored with the Scion really quick. It always happens to me with ultra low-quality interiors. That's why I'm going with the BRZ Limited. It's only low-quality.

ahha same here!!! its like someone is trying to stick their out jaw at all time

BRZ looks like it has a derp smile on it's fascia! (take that!) :slap:

a run of the mil HID kit will run under $100,
just keep it 4000K-5000K .

intalling HIDs on a non HID ready projector is a bad idea.

you will not have a straight cut of line.


investing on better projectors is the best option

Yupz I know that and it is why I opted for the BRZ,
but then again I see so much HID kits on reflectors
that HIDs in projector housing is an improvement.

I thought the same till i saw it IRL. now :thumbsup:

Ugh, please don't buy $100 HID's unless you really hate yourself.

I'd think it would be easier to swap the FR-S bumper over, but then again if you don't need all the extra options the BRZ has, you could have plenty of money for HID's with the couple grand you save buying the FR-S.

And then you will have headlights that are uglier and less effective than stock while blinding oncoming traffic. Please, for the love of all that is holy stop recommending this. Also, that number there is called color temperature. It is not how bright the lights are, it is what the spectrum of light output looks like, based on a traditional black body radiator.

Aftermarket HID's have been made illegal in Massachusetts thanks to all the morons installing cheapie eBay kits on their Civics and Jettas, pissing off commuters left and right! Now you can't even buy a good kit and run it legally. Thanks, a-holes!

I'm all for proper retrofitting, but I have to say that with quite a few halogen projectors, a minor tweak to the squirrel spotters and you have a pretty clean cutoff line that doesn't blind oncoming traffic. HID's in halogen reflectors however are horrible.

The problem is your average HID kit buyer either doesn't know about this or doesn't care, and the rest of us have to suffer for it. IMO 6000K+ HID kits are almost as bad as the bluish light is bad for oncoming traffic's night vision.

Changing the brz bumper to frs is WAY easier then going frs with brz headlights. Youll have strange issues changing headlights. The frs could have issues with the halos, and youd need to run an extra harness for headlight levelling. Sometimes for non hid cars that have hid optional, they have different gauge Wire harnesses too, sometimes the plugs are altogether different too.

When I said HID, I meant the BRZ headlights with HID. It's too much work to do a retrofit and plug n play hid's are terrible.

We'll see what happens next year, but I'll most likely get a BRZ and put a FRS front end on it :p

I was thinking this too...a wrb frs..with a toyota gt like interior ...awesome! But by the time i get around to it therell be a new fascia for both. Who knows. Maybe subaru updates their bumper and everyone will want THAT

ahah lol, nice! but would rather have a derp smile than an extreme underbite :p

I would get the BRZ and swap the bumper, trying to get a good HID kit and wiring it up properly will be a lot more of a pain.

Bumpskis on Bumper Swapping???

fr-s u can buy quality hids and installing them is a simple step by step, thanks to the not so crammed engine bay you can easily tuck them so its clean. i doubt the "non hid ready projectors" will make much a difference and if it does fix it.

LOL why would you get a new bumper just for hids?

Cause projector lights and HID are different?

but thats already been covered

A member here colHolm is working with a aftermarket HID retrofitting company to make a quick retrofit kit

lol ive installed many HID kits on projector headlights including my friends '09 scion xB and they look AMAZING. the light usually lines up perfectly and there never appears to be any distorted areas in the displayed light. No damaged has been done to any parts either. I guess ill be one of the only guys doing aftermarket hids... ill post up pics once this happens

You either must care more about the look than function or don't know what true HID look like. Its been done and posted and the results aren't anywhere close to looking like true HID.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9116

See how there a bunch of light above the "cutoff" the light is clearly being projected in a different pattern than true HID. Now instead of shoving HIDs into projector headlights and saying that its just as good why don't you do things right and retrofit some HID projectors in there. The difference is huge.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9294

+1 on this. Can't say that FRS projectors are any good, but some halogen projectors have nicer beam patterns than some OEM HID projectors. This includes all Toyotas I've seen - Celica (halogen projector w/kit looks better than factory HIDs), 4Runner, tC, xB, and MR2.

Couple pics of my MR2 (came with halogen projectors from the factory), with "squirrel finders" blocked (no more light above the cutoff), with an aftermarket 4500k HID kit. It looks more yellow because of my "jdm yellow" fogs - I like the extreme color contrast because I feel like I get run off the road less often.
http://guysmily.com/gallery2/v/spyder/Dsc_3429.jpg.html
http://guysmily.com/gallery2/v/spyder/Dsc_3433.jpg.html

edit: Ok, the beam on the FRS looks pretty crappy in the pics posted by TRS (linked in the above post). Might not be a good candidate. A lens swap may help if there's a suitable replacement out there. Kinda sucks since the previous halogen Toyota projectors (made by Koito or Stanley I think) were pretty awesome.

Mr.Jay that's a good example. and coming from the guy that actually did it and saw it (DarrenDriven) read his 3rd comment down. he basically says the photo exaggerates a lot of the unnecessary light, as opposed to what it looked like in real life. and real life is whats important. he also says he couldnt tell a difference. and YES there is a difference...engineers didnt design the frs headlights perfectly for HID's. Not a harsh enough difference to recommend a more expensive car + bumper swap over an HID kit.