Report: Baby Toyota FT-86 also in the works
 

According to R&T, Toyota is currently working on a "baby FT-86" sports coupe to slot in under the Toyota FT-86. The baby FT-86 is expected to be priced at $5000 less than the FT-86, which makes some sense since it's been recently reported that the FT-86 will come to market at a price tag slightly higher than Toyota's original $20,000 target.

Hence, the baby FT-86 sports car will fill Toyota's sub-$20k sports car slot. The rumor is that the car will measure 150 inches overall length and be powered by Toyota's 1.5L inline 4-cylinder 3SZ-VE engine, good for 109bhp. The drivetrain will feature a front engine and rear wheel drive. Rumored debut date is 2012.

Kinda sounds like scion territory maybe?

Hopefully this will keep things open for toyota to add some extra Horsepower to the big brother since they won't have to be quite so price conscious for that model.

Hmm interesting, but I dun think they need it. They should revive the big bro Supra instead of making any smaller sport car than FT-86. Just give inline 6 or Boxer 6 to new Supra, world will be in peace for awhile.

I don't know about you guys, but I'm a little hesitant to believe everything Road & Track has to say.. They've had a history of providing incorrect information on upcoming models *ahem, 370z* and I think it's safe to say that they're publishing similar misleading info on this subject as well.

Just a small example, take a look at this quote from a related article...
"From what we can learn from Gran Turismo, the car’s engine will redline at 8500 rpm, meaning this thing will be a screamer. It’ll hit 61 mph (100 km./h) in 6.1 seconds. So whatever this engine is (we suspect it’s a naturally-aspirated inline-4 with VVT-i), it’s pumping out at least 250 bhp."

Those numbers look appealing, until you hit the end. Inline-4??? Dude, EVERYBODY knows that it will be H-4 powered! If R&T can't even get the simple details down, how can we really trust them on something big like this?

In all reality, this could just mean that the FT86 is going to come in different engine flavors, with the lowly base model coming out at just under 20k. Who knows for sure, but IMHO Road & Track's info should be taken with a hefty grain of salt.

Anybody know the last time a RWD car was priced at $15-18k? I surely don't... Correct if I'm wrong but even if this rumor was true I'm sure it would be a FWD and Toyota would never produce it in fear of stealing sales away from the Scion TC.

true that

Hopefully 2-seater miata competitor.

Has to be bogus. I completely agree with Dark here, they need to go the other way. New supra please

Yes, but Motor Trend says that it will be a two door version of the Toyota Aygo GRMN, witch may keep down the price.
Also Toyota might have seen the lack of a really cheap RWD sports car, and wants to kick the asses of the new Honda CR-Z and upcoming Hyundai Veloster, with a small and cheap RWD coupe witch will handle like a dream.:thumbsup:

http://www.motortrend.com/features/a.../photo_03.htmlhttp://www.motortrend.com/features/a...ive/index.html

Everybody wants to see a new Supra on the road, but Toyota needs to learn how to walk again before they can start running, a baby FT-86 will be cheap enough for the 20 year olds, and will give the freedom to the FT-86 to be more powerful and maybe to get a V6 witch will make it more competitive against cars like the Audi TT, Hyundai Gen. Coupe, Mustang and the next generation Camaro witch will be smaller, lighter and faster. The Supra:bow: nameplate is something special, and a future Supra needs to be good enough to challenge cars like the Chevy Corvette, Porsche 911 and Nissan GT-R .

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^What he said.

While I agree with this....

I think this sums up my thoughts pretty nicely. Except that the FT does not need a V6 to compete with the Gen coupe (and has no place trying to compete with the Audi TT).

Yup. Also I really hope they don't try to compete with all of those muscle cars; Would really ruin it

If the rumor about RX-7 is true, FT-86 will compete with RX-7. There is will a small possible chance that Nissan may be bringing back the Silvia. If what I said become true, it's like we're heading back to early 90s again.

Hmm. Until I see a concept I'm taking a "wait and see" approach to this one.

Isn't it rumored @ 300hp? The turbo version maybe?

Right, it's 300hp. FT-86 Turbo( if there will be one) will also be near 300hp territory, but boxer from Toyota must be more efficient than new generation Rotary from Mazda. RX-7 is also likely to be more expensive than FT-86 for numbers, so it's up to you to choose your own ideal sport car. ;)

Agreed. I wasn't looking for a muscle car.

What's wrong with early nineties?
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I really like the sound of that whole scenario there.

Lex, I didn't say it's bad. It's an impressive event, but I was too young to catch on.

I used to sell Toyota's...

It sounds like the $5k reduction is exaggerated, since a normal downgrade in engine size or models in normal Toyota cars is about $1,500-$2k.

Max $3k if they strip down the car to a basic model with no power windows/side mirrors or remote entry.

http://www.autocar.co.uk/CarReviews/...-Crazy/233245/

http://www.insideline.com/toyota/fr-..._ns_11510.html

So looking it over, Toyota has already been testing the Toyota Aygo as a RWD vehicle with a low weight/high hp ration for awhile now. I think the only thing restrictive for Toyota is that the Aygo is only sold in Europe. I think if Toyota can find a way to build it here I'll consider it since it looks like a really cool hot hatch but only because it's one of the few that's RWD.

Upon further thinking, Toyota has not updated the Scion xD for the 2011/2012 year yet. The base Scion xD starts at around $15-16k. What if Toyota brings out a new Scion xD or it's successor(Since the xA had a four year timeline and the xD is about to reach it's four year timeline) that starts off as a base car with FWD and a "Fuel Effecient Engine". Then since there is the introduction of the iQ into the Scion lineup then Toyota with it's plan to maybe introduce(reintroduce) a TRD/Gazoo/G-Sports division create seperate cars that are in this division. The new "Performance" level car could cost $4-5k higher then the base and allow for items such as a super/turbo and RWD for the Aygo/xD/Whatever this baby FT86 is.

you know that Aygo Crazy cost £100,000

UK£ 100 000 = US$ 148 080

1.8L VVT-i from MR-2 & Celica engine w Turbo and lil shy of 200bhp... for £100,000 ($148,080)? No thanks.

If you were talkin' bout stock Toyota Aygo, it's I3 1L engine pressing only 68hp. There were I4 1.4L engine is Diesel and iirc correct, they stop making that. Even Diesel engine made 55hp.

Yes I saw the Aygo Crazy costs 100k but it is a concept and a radical one at that since they had to engineer it to be RWD. I also do not trust how much they say the Aygo Crazy costs unless they are including total development costs in there as well. The Motor Trend article agrees that the baby FT86 is going to be based off the Gazoo GRMN FR so I think it's just a waiting game to see if this rumor pans out.

http://gazoo.com/racing/english/grmn/lineup/frhh.asp

Apparently this is old. The interview states they made a concept of a car that costs 1,500,000 yen or roughly $16.5k. So the car exists as a cheap FR car concept but will it make it to production anywhere is the better question.

Same here.

But it's sounding more like it should be a revived/revisioned MR2. Besides, something based off the Aygo doesn't seem very appealing... well, to me anyways. Honestly, I can't see Toyota seriously attempting to make a RWD Vitz for production purposes. :iono:

I think road & track is full of it. Toyota aren't going to make a hot hatch with no space in the back, so if anything maybe they are working for a new MR-2. THe last one was great, but underpowered and overpriced, let's see if they are making anything else, how it'll work out.

I think people are missing a bigger picture here. If this report where to be true, then the 'baby' FT-86 seems to be more of a true 'successor' to the AE86 than the FT-86 we've been clamoring over now for months.

The more news that comes out on the FT-86, the more it becomes obvious to 86 owners that Toyota isn't really using the 86 as an inspiration than beyond 'light weight, RWD'. This car, although a bit smaller than the AE86, would have a weight closer to the 86 (than the FT-86 will, at probably 2700-2800), and an I4 pushing almost the exact same performance numbers..cept torque...

For me, I'm suddenly more interested in this 'baby' FT-86 than the FT-86 itself.:iono:

You know that the Aygo Crazy cost £100,000 to BUILD, since it's a concept, rather than an actual production car? In fact, the normal Aygo costs £8500 ($12,586) or so, so a production RWD version wouldn't cost 100k or probably even 20k.
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Hmmmmmm......

http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagam...0Cars/kei7.jpg

http://ll.speedhunters.com/u/f/eagam...Cars/kei11.jpg

i don't believe a single thing that has been said about the ft86 since its debut. lets review:

-the G-Sport version may or may not make production, maybe just in the Japan market, maybe not
-there might have been a design change from the sexy European studio's version to the tepid California design studio's version, which would have sucked
-for that matter, the toyota version may just be offered in Japan, or not, or the subaru model is only for the USA, or not. and subaru of Australia will hold its breath until subaru promises not to offer a RWD car, thus diluting the brand.
-the engine might or might not be in front of the axle, making a symmetrical AWD (subaru's preferred AWD layout) possible or impossible
-the FT86 might be going up in price, down in power, and up in target demographic
-there might be a RWD Aygo in the works to slot under the FT86.
-there might be a smaller cheaper RWD sports coupe that will meet the original price target of the FT86
-the FT86 might or might not be a scion, the smaller RWD car might or might not be a scion
-there might or might not be a subaru version, which might or might not have AWD, and might or might not have a big turbo.
-oh, and it might or might not be named celica.
-and it might be released in calendar 2011 or 2012, or was it model year 2011 or 2012?

Nevermind the fact that Toyota didn't even disclose the curb weight or the horsepower on either concept. EVERYTHING IS SPECULATION. Please don't overreact to every bit of news. There is clearly a lot of buzz about this vehicle, so the auto mags are gonna milk it, despite probably not being any more informed than we are.

...Ok after reading all that you guys have said in this article so far, there were a couple things at the beginning that I completely agreed with, but after that there was so much that was said that I completely disagree with I don't even know where or how to start so I simply won't and will boycott the rest of this thread.

Ok all except for what dilly-o just said which is the single peace of sense in this whole article so far.

no way a V6 will fit under the extremely low hood of the FT-86....I think we'd see a turbo version before we see a V6. I hope this rumor is true because it helps Toyota to pad the HP numbers for the sporty version. I'd pay more for more power...

I would agree if the turbo one is not too heavy compare to NA one.

Flat 6?

Id pay less for less weight.

I personally think it's great that Toyota want to make an even cheaper car. Make it even cheaper! I don't need rear seats. I don't need driver aids. I want four wheels, of which the rear ones are connected to the engine, I want two seats, I want a good looking body and then I want a stereo. Beyond that, don't add anything that isn't required by the law.

Oh, and for god's sake, bring it to Europe. We don't even get stupid Scions over here.

Lucky you. You don't have to dodge all the toasters on the road

I could not say better ! I think the same exaxt thing. The AE86 was not HP beast, but a fun RWD car ! Plus, if it have a REAL Toyota engine in it, i'm in ! My first 2 car was AE86's and this car is not about power, but how fun it is to drive !

New FT-86s will be competing in price range with used Supras, S2000s, 350zs, RX-7s, etc.. As much as I want the FT-86 to succeed, I wouldn't buy one unless it were under $20K. Give me the Baby FT-86 please.

I've never expected this can to be less than 20K. Toyota's sport car is NOT cheap tho, if you hear them saying "affordable", you can't expect a cheap car. There is no official word from Toyota, so the rumor is still not true.
BTW, I will get Bad@ss FT-86 with turbo over its competitors any day.

x2

I'd actually really like to see a new MR-2.

best post ever

:thanks:

That and i agree with oldschool...the aygo sounds more enticing. Granted I drive a scion but the 1.5L engine in here is great. torque is plentiful compared to HP..i mean i dynoed it at 86whp and 91ftlb or torque. Pretty sweet for a stock engine...

oh and some guy on scionlife (blownXa) has 220whp 230ftlbs or torque...the dyno chart go straight up. power till redline.

Aygo please please please haha