[Vancouver, BC] Out the door pricing
 

Hello Everyone,

As most of you know, I was at JP Scion yesterday putting down another deposit for the Fr-S as they had two open spots. I am looking at a end of may delivery date.

I was also pre-approved for my car loan and here is what it all came down to:

Notes:
- Applied for the Scion Grad program (-$1000 and -0.2% on financing rates)
- Applied for 36 months at 2.9% financing
- Car ordered: 2013 Scion FR-S whiteout.

Car Worth:

MSRP: $25 990
+ Freight and PDI: $1 495
+ A/C Levy: $100
+ Tire Levy: $25
+ Documentation/Administration service: $295.00
Sub total: 27610.00

+ HST (12%): 3313.20

Total: 30923.20

+ Downpayment (result of grad program): -$1000
+ Finance contract registration fee (PPSA): $30.50

Amount financed: 29953.70

Total finance charge (interest and fees): $1262.98

Total Deferred Balance: 31216.68

To be paid in 35 equal monthly installments of 867.13 each, commencing 2nd day of June, 2012 with a final installment of $867.13 to be paid on the 2nd day of May, 2015.

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Note: I will be doing a $7000 deposit which should bring me down to the 600/mo which would be great!
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Update - pricing
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Financing rates (based off $30,0000 with $0 down and grad rebate applied - (-1000 & -0.2%)):
36 mo for 2.7% - 868.40/mo (interest accrued: $1,265.12)
48 mo for 3.7% - 673.35/mo (interest accrued: $2,320.88)
60 mo for 4.7% - 562.02/mo (interest accrued: $3,721.38)
72 mo for 5.7% - 492.95/mo (interest accrued: $5,492.35)

Now in terms of insurance rates:
- Based on a Genesis Coupe 2.0T at 15% off: 2881.02/yr with 2 Million third party liability, $1000 comprehensive, $1000 collision.

Options as a safety net:
- accelerating payments: I could deal with 60 months for 4.7% and then accelerate it to 36 months as I am paying off the car. so just in case I have a hard time to meet 868.40, I can go for that lowered monthly instead as a back up plan.

That's really good. Less than $1300 over 3 years to finance.

Time to go around and collect all your deposits from the various dealerships or are you going to leave some in place just in case?

How many total deposits did you leave btw between Scion and Subaru dealerships?

Don't party admin fees its not like they are doing you a favor its part of the job if not two them you will do the admin work.

300 for someone filling out some paper what's that bull shit

Marloon has 6 deposits one for each of his jobs

I've left:

Scion:
JP Scion: $2500
OR Scion: $500
Surrey Scion: $500

Subaru:
Wolfe Subaru: $500
Richmond Subaru: $1000
Docksteader Subaru $500

They will all get pooled into one big deposit + 2000 (i hope)

I know what you mean Mr. Jay but its not like I am going to tell them, if you don't remove this, I am not going to buy the car. They might tell me to F off. but i will try.

Yeah, I only have 1 deposit down so I would hate to lose a car over a few hundred bucks. No harm in asking though.

If they say the admin fee is the same for everybody and can't be waived you can always say the MSRP isn't. They could always drop the MSRP by $300 to make up for it. :)

I'm I'm not the first person in Canada to get my car. I want to see what other people's experiences are so I can go off of that and see what I can do with negotiating. I'm really not impressed by the admin fee I was quoted at all.

The $395 admin fee subaru charges is standard across All subaru Dealers.
I doubt you can complain about it with any results.

Paid it for the STI, paid it for the WRX.

Regency infiniti was the best for admin fees...$40

Unless you know someone at the dealer, you'd be hard pressed to get any kind of deal on a car this rare.

All of those 6 dealers are pushing you for a documentation/admin fee?! My dealer refuses to charge any markups or bs fees.

Admin fees are BS. It's just extra margin for them. They are already making money on the MSRP price. I didn't pay any admin fees on my last car.

This does not bode well for future BRZ purchase...

I will not pay a DIME for admin fees. That is their job.

I will tell them that when I get my car. That is your job, not mine.

You didn't get charged $250 (or w.e the amount is) for ordering the whiteout?

My Admin Fee at Tony Graham in Ottawa is $349.00

It is additional profit for them and I had no interest in fighting with them as I have a 20+ year relationship with them.

The service department has many times done things for me that saved a lot more than that.

Did you order the FRS or BRZ?

FRS

^From what I've seen Scion, 95% of the time does not charge any fees aside from the regular fees(freight, air, etc). Subaru on the other hand does

Cutting the admin fees will be tough with early demand. Next year should be easier.

^But IMHO dealers can charge fees as long as their up front(not saying that im willing to pay them). But If their practice is to deceive or flip the deal then I would say its not right.

Right now everyone's best chance to get a "good deal" is get a discount on accessories or even "free".

I think Marloon and his 3 Scion deposits would argue against that. Maybe things are different on the west coast?

Scion, like everyone else, has "Documentation Fees". I'm Don't think you can single out any BRAND in particular that doesn't...Dealers on the other hand may be honest about it and waive it or keep it reasonable.

I'm pretty sure that the Subaru Documentation Fee is enforced by the higher ups at head office.

I am not sure yet. I guess when it is all said and done in the end, I will be charged (?) unless they forget about it.

Agreed. It will be tough to cut it knowing how hot this car is and how many people are lined up for it.

I want to ask for free accessories if they do got them such as rubber floor mats and mud flaps.

The best part of having deposits at different dealers is that I can get a quote and pick which is the best for me. Which reminds me to call them to not put a dealership sticker on my soon to be babies. LOL. HATE THAT STUFF. (I might just be okay with them drilling the front hole though)

I am going to fight for every penny knowing that I will be paying something like 600-800/mo for 36 months. Yikes. LOL.

From Toronto, most of the FRS(soon to be owners) did not pay for any fees. Even one of the Scion dealers from montreal (SCIONMONTREAL) does not charge any fees. From what im reading and experienced myself BRZ soon to be owners are the ones being dinged. :thumbdown:

Got this from my dealer. He's seemed absolutely great this whole time so don't really have any reason to doubt him.

If this is the case then scion owners should feel lucky. not having a dealer try to charge you for doc fees is the exception not the rule.

Chances are, I will be buying the FR-S from a JP dealer. what should i watch out for?

I don't know off hand but consider this: Jimmy the billionaire started off as a car salesman. Watch out for any and everything.

As far as I know, all season floor mats and splash guards are standard equipment on every car Toyota Canada sells.

Well i sure hope so...

I am going to haggle the following:
- The admin fee
- Free accessories

Anything else I should haggle. I really want my dang car already.

LOL. So i told the girlfriend... She's quite pissed... hmmm.... what to do. what to do. lol

I think the safest move is to just back out now... :( I really don't want to but I am forced to... Talk about being WHIPPED! LOL

So from 6 deposits to no car this year?

from 6 deposits to no car AT ALL. (well except for my current car).

I told her that we might have a test drive to do tomorrow when she comes back from her trip. She said that she doesn't want to go because she doesn't care for the car. She wants no part in the car. I was like WTF?! Seriously... this is BS.

Dude..that sucks...didn't she know you were doing this all along?..if she did what did she think the end result was going to be?..or was she hoping you'd back out yourself so she didn't have to say anything?

Don't you still have to sort out your job first anyways?

No big deal, it'll be around for a few years at least.

I told her that I was buying this car months ago as I put down my deposits. She doesn't value cars as much as I do. My love for cars and driving in a very low driving position is so strongly rooted in me that it dates back to when I bought my family's 1992 corolla with my dad when I was 5 years old. From there, we owned a 2002 and 2003 corolla before I bought my 2012 Elantra.

The 2002 Corolla was my car (until i totaled it). I really liked that corolla because though it was a family sedan, it was low to the ground and torque-y when i needed it to be. (the 2003 was sh** LOL)

When I was 14, I would secretly take the car out without my license and drive it around my neighborhood... I kept doing it more when I was 15-16. When I was 16 and got my Learners permit, I didn't require any driving lessons as I was already making my own driving lesson plans. When I hit the new drivers permit, I drove night and day and played! And you know what? I love driving so much that sometimes when I have nothing better to do, I take the car out and drive around my neighborhood pretty hard.

I don't know.... this is not good. Something has to go if you know what I mean... HAHAHAHA Jk.

To be honest, I don't care about the job situation. I work 5 different casual jobs right now... The full time just gives me the mental security that I want.

You'll figure something out, Mar.

Dude..MOST people don't value cars as much as we do. To 95% of people out there a car is just a transportation appliance..an expense.

This forum, This car, is for the other 5% of people that connect to cars with more than just their pocketbook, but their heart & soul. A Car this special can't be quantified.

It's OBVIOUS how special this car is to you, you need to find a way to make this work. You will kill yourself and end up hating your girlfriend over this for a very long time. Plus if you back out..20% of our club is GONE...that Means after your gone, 25% of our FRS club could be Impreza WRX's..lol;)

Plus i need to make money off you! Blacking out your headlights, Changing your stereo...Welding extra wheels on the back so you can have Dualies!

It's pretty funny. Every time I see a sports car, I am always reminded of my dad who bought a 5th Generation Toyota Corona - FR Layout. He used it when he was dating my mom at that time. In the philippines, it was called the "macho machine". LOL. Sadly the car had to go when they started having kids and he will always remember those days.

Working at the hospital, taking care of people really has shown me to enjoy my life to as much as I can. I've witnessed people as young as 2 have cancer. I've taken care of people in their 40s that have terminal cancer and that are palliative. I've seen people in their 80s that are just about to go. I am not going to get any younger. As long as I have the necessities to live such as food and shelter, I am going to spend some of my money on my interests. My previous interests were my photography but now that people just want me to take pictures of their weddings and events and I don't want to do that anymore, I am more than willing to let that go for this car. (the resale value of photography gear is actually MUCH MUCH MUCH BETTER compared to cars). LOL.

It's insane, some SLR lenses appreciate, i swear. It's also because lenses don't evolve at the speed a car does, not to mention some of the best lenses made aren't the newest ones, but the ones made 5,10,15 years ago . The bodies seem to depreciate a bit, but not like a car that's for sure.

You need to talk to the lady methinks.

I agree. and I believe that my dad and I really fall in that 5% (even though we don't really work on our cars). So my dad had made a ton of sacrifices for our family. To this date, he has bought us new cars and he's still driving the 1992 Corolla and has recently bought a used 2003 Revo to replace our old 1990 Kia pride (also known as the ford festiva) back home.

Anyways, I asked him if it was okay for me to finance two cars while he still drove old cars back home. To my surprise, he said that it was okay because I believe that he understood how I feel about driving. I got the OK from my parents - I definitely don't want to piss off anybody with my car that's for sure. I know its my money, i just want to make sure everyone is comfortable with the change thats going to happen.

I am actually quite angry. She's been gone for about 3 weeks and I was excited to see her tomorrow. I don't know how to feel right now.

HAHAHA DUALIES! LOL. It'll be a very unique car I'm sure.