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dave77 01-05-2014 07:56 PM

What are some of the lightest wheel options?
 
I'm not good with wheels and brands and whatnot. Hoping people could post some ideas or threads that talk about the lightest options available. I also get confused on what happens when you change the size/width. I'm thinking about doing 17in so same as stock, and then maybe same width but get stickier tires. But it'd also be nice to get a bit wider wheels/tires I guess.

DriftEightSix 01-05-2014 08:13 PM

Check out this one.

http://www.tws-forged.com/tws_t66-f.html

nismo300zr2 01-05-2014 08:19 PM

Enkei RPF1's have been the proven choice by so many for lightweight performance. At only 16lbs!? per wheel, youll gain better accel/braking/and handling all in one. Dont forget to replace your stock lugs with lighter ones also. Losing that unsprung rotating mass from each corner reaps huge benefits.

http://www.frsport.com/RPF1-Wheel-17...FTJp7Aod5TsAZw

Changing the size of the wheels, affects your tire size choices directly. Me personally, id keep the stock set with the tires it came with, and put them on during the foul weather season and/or long drives. Save the more expensive (grippier) tires for when you are actually driving to DRIVE.

Wider tires will give you more grip compared to the same tire that lays less rubber on the road. You -could- get more grip out of a skinnier tire.. but you'd have to pay for a stickier compound. Read- less tire life.

mit_peid 01-05-2014 08:20 PM

Check out this thread for a long list of wheels with weights: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11454

Your options will be limited by your budget. If you have the money, forged Volks have been the standard for lightweight wheels. If you don't want to blow your entire budget on forged wheels, Enkei RPF1s are a good compromise, but get ready to be flamed by some as they're pretty common.

diss7 01-05-2014 08:29 PM

If you want ligher, go smaller.

There is no performance gain at all running 18's. Its for looks.

Get 16x7 or 16x8. Weigh less, weight closer to centre.

If 205-225 road tyre is not giving you enough grip, use a semi. If semi is not enough grip, use a race slick.

dave77 01-05-2014 08:31 PM

Yea good point. But wondering how 16s would look. I'll see if I can find some pics. Don't want to go up to 18s for sure.

Quote:

Originally Posted by diss7 (Post 1432024)
If you want ligher, go smaller.

There is no performance gain at all running 18's. Its for looks.

Get 16x7 or 16x8. Weigh less, weight closer to centre.

If 205-225 road tyre is not giving you enough grip, use a semi. If semi is not enough grip, use a race slick.


dave77 01-05-2014 08:38 PM

Maybe get some 16 in BBS wheels, and then get higher profile tires to make the wheel/tire diameter the same as the stock wheel/tire diameter, for speedo/gear ratio purposes.

Vracer111 01-05-2014 09:18 PM

The Kosei K4R is a great option: 17x8, +36mm offset, 15.6lbs, Less than $800 for a full set of 4...use with the stock tires and you will drop 5lbs a corner.

16" wheels would be a nice choice, but tire selection is horrible in 16" while 17" has about the best selection of any tire diameter and are less expensive than 16" tires.

diss7 01-05-2014 09:27 PM

Agree, 16" tyre selection is shit.

If you HAVE to stay 17", this was the lightest combo I came up with.

Volk SE37K 17x7.5" with Achilles 205/40/17 semi slick. 14.705kg, 32.42lbs.

I am selling these, but shipping to US would be cray cray.

Going smaller & lighter.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a2...ps2078a06f.jpg

dave77 01-05-2014 09:43 PM

Yea looking around today, I've also realized that there are not many 16inch wheels out there.

Found these O.Z. wheels which I like. I'm thinking about doing white.
http://www.tirerack.com/wheels/Wheel...All&sort=Brand

http://www.tirerack.com/upgrade_gara...=White+Painted

But whatever I get, maybe I could find some used wheels for cheaper but still in good condition.

dave77 01-05-2014 09:45 PM

Yea dang, wish I was in NZ.

Quote:

Originally Posted by diss7 (Post 1432144)
Agree, 16" tyre selection is shit.

If you HAVE to stay 17", this was the lightest combo I came up with.

Volk SE37K 17x7.5" with Achilles 205/40/17 semi slick. 14.705kg, 32.42lbs.

I am selling these, but shipping to US would be cray cray.

Going smaller & lighter.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a2...ps2078a06f.jpg


Pete156 01-05-2014 09:57 PM

Huh?

My 18x8 "cheap" TSW Nurburgrings are at least 3lbs lighter (each) than the stock 17" rims. Bigger is not necessarily heavier. I also run a lower profile, so circumference gain is minimal, thus no perceptible performance loss, and less unsprung weight.

diss7 01-05-2014 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete156 (Post 1432202)
Huh?

My 18x8 "cheap" TSW Nurburgrings are at least 3lbs lighter than the stock rims. Bigger is not necessarily heavier.


Yes, but what if they were 17x8, or 16x8. Also, its where the weight is. Closer to the centre the better.

dave77 01-05-2014 10:00 PM

IDK but here they say bigger diameter changes the gear ratio and makes the car slower.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete156 (Post 1432202)
Huh?

My 18x8 "cheap" TSW Nurburgrings are at least 3lbs lighter than the stock rims. Bigger is not necessarily heavier. I also run a lower profile, so overall diameter circumference gain is minimal, thus no perceptible performance loss.


mit_peid 01-05-2014 10:04 PM

Keep in mind that smaller wheels will require higher-profile tires, and the trade-off will be in tire flex. Also, lighter isn't always better. Yes weight closer to the middle is better, but wheels of the same size and weight may be different as well due to the process used to manufacturer. Generally, forged wheels are strong and light. Cast wheels can maybe weigh the same as forged wheels of the same size, but won't be as strong. For our cars, best performance would be either 17x8 or 17x9 for N/A engines. 18s would look the best in my opinion. 16s are just too small and 19s are just too big (again, IMHO).

diss7 01-05-2014 10:09 PM

Smaller wheels don't REQUIRE larger profile tyres.

Nothing stopping you running a 40 or 45 profile on a 16 or 15.

Pete156 01-05-2014 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mit_peid (Post 1432232)
Keep in mind that smaller wheels will require higher-profile tires, and the trade-off will be in tire flex. Also, lighter isn't always better. Yes weight closer to the middle is better, but wheels of the same size and weight may be different as well due to the process used to manufacturer. Generally, forged wheels are strong and light. Cast wheels can maybe weigh the same as forged wheels of the same size, but won't be as strong. For our cars, best performance would be either 17x8 or 17x9 for N/A engines. 18s would look the best in my opinion. 16s are just too small and 19s are just too big (again, IMHO).

Agree with all you have said. Well put!

I agree, 17" for N/A......FI = More options

Suberman 01-05-2014 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by diss7 (Post 1432255)
Smaller wheels don't REQUIRE larger profile tyres.

Nothing stopping you running a 40 or 45 profile on a 16 or 15.

Wheel width and tire size availability are two things that might stop you.

diss7 01-05-2014 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Suberman (Post 1432310)
Wheel width and tire size availability are two things that might stop you.

225/45/16 is not a rare tyre.

Lots of semi compounds in that size too.

If staying NA, trawl the Honda forums on tyre reviews. They know to stay small.

Think of the 86 as a rear wheel drive type-r, not a non turbo silvia.

dave77 01-05-2014 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by diss7 (Post 1432323)
Think of the 86 as a rear wheel drive type-r

This is why I bought the car. :)

industrial 01-06-2014 07:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dave77 (Post 1432177)
Yea looking around today, I've also realized that there are not many 16inch wheels out there.

Found these O.Z. wheels which I like. I'm thinking about doing white.
http://www.tirerack.com/wheels/Wheel...All&sort=Brand

http://www.tirerack.com/upgrade_gara...=White+Painted

But whatever I get, maybe I could find some used wheels for cheaper but still in good condition.

I run those in 17x7.5. They have held up well and look great. The wheels came individually weighed and came in around 14.8lbs or so. Probably about the best you'll do without spending $500+/wheel or buying used.

Suberman 01-06-2014 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by diss7 (Post 1432323)
225/45/16 is not a rare tyre.

Lots of semi compounds in that size too.

If staying NA, trawl the Honda forums on tyre reviews. They know to stay small.

Think of the 86 as a rear wheel drive type-r, not a non turbo silvia.

Tire rack has 7 but only 3 of those are street tires.

Also, that size is 3% too small, which is a lot.

225/50x16 is more common.

Over here finding the 16x7 wheels will be tricky enough.

It probably can be done but the why is an interesting question since those OZ rims are so light and there are a number of available 17 inch tires suitable for those wheels.

FreshFRS 01-06-2014 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Suberman (Post 1432946)
Tire rack has 7 but only 3 of those are street tires.

Also, that size is 3% too small, which is a lot.

225/50x16 is more common.

Over here finding the 16x7 wheels will be tricky enough.

It probably can be done but the why is an interesting question since those OZ rims are so light and there are a number of available 17 inch tires suitable for those wheels.

Tirerack seemed to have quite a few good choices in 225/50R16, Rivals, ZII's, AD08 R's, RE11A's and RS-3's, DW's for those less concerned with dry grip. i agree 16x7 or even 7.5 with a decent offset are tricky to find in north america.

Captain Insano 01-08-2014 10:44 PM

Most tires are 22+ lbs.... usually the ultra high performance weigh more due to sidewall reinforcement. Its pretty easy to buy a wheel 2-5 lbs less than stock but end up at nearly the same or more overall weight when you get the high performance tires. I was ecstatic to drop 3+ lbs per corner with weds tc105n 17x9 (15-16 lbs per) and continental ECDW 245 width tires. Looking for 16s but haven't found a reasonable option.

Tye300 01-08-2014 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by diss7 (Post 1432144)
Agree, 16" tyre selection is shit.

If you HAVE to stay 17", this was the lightest combo I came up with.

Volk SE37K 17x7.5" with Achilles 205/40/17 semi slick. 14.705kg, 32.42lbs.

I am selling these, but shipping to US would be cray cray.

Going smaller & lighter.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a2...ps2078a06f.jpg

How's the 123s performance for you?

diss7 01-08-2014 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tye300 (Post 1439686)
How's the 123s performance for you?

They're 'okay' but not great. An R888 or Nt01 is a much better semi slick.

The 123s has more grip in a straight line that a decent wide road tyre, but about the same lateral grip. That could be a because of the lack of sidewall in this size.

They're a good introduction to a semi slick, but are not really a semi slick. If that makes any sense.

Trac Toy 01-08-2014 11:21 PM

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Just did a trial fit of these wheels on the car tonight.

15"x7" with a 35 offset. and only 4.8 kg. 10.5 pounds or so.

They only JUST clear the caliper as you can see in the photos. I think a light shave with the grinder and things will be fantastic.

we used these wheels on our chumpcar but are going to something wider this coming season.

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diss7 01-09-2014 02:15 AM

Just weighed my ssr's, lighter than the se37ks. Tyre must be heavy though, wheel is supposed to be 1.6kg lighter than the volk, but total weight is only .6kg less.

I didn't know the wheels were coming with tyres. Seller through them in. I'll skid them away and then weight the wheel on its own. It's supposed to weigh 4.9kg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a2...ps3oazzlha.jpg


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