Scion FR-S Turbo Hybrid Sedan Comes Into Focus
 

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Motortrend dropped and article I thought was interesting.

http://www.motortrend.com/future/fut...es_into_focus/

"Yes folks, a turbo. But not just any turbo. Toyota will insist on a 2.0-liter turbo-boxer being bolted to a revised version of its tried and proven hybrid system, pumping out around 300 hp. In addition to a hybrid turbo powerplant, Toyota’s R&D department is currently testing in-wheel motors. Fitted at the front, they would make the four-door an all-wheel-drive sedan."

Yum. I started this in the FRS thread but I know some of you might not visit it. I thought it was and interesting read.

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That's disgusting

Thanks for sharing.

I love the BRZ because of its simplicity. This frs sedan seems awfully complicated

so it's basically a Toyota WRX? am I reading this right? and if it's the same size as the Legacy...that's pretty big that's a mid sized sedan right? I was hoping for something comparible to the coupe... like an Integra Sedan something along that size.

Agreed. Not sure I'd want to deal with a hybrid turbo.

NOPE NOPE NOPE

AWD, hybrid, turbo, sedan? 20" longer, 4" taller, 7" longer wheelbase? Probably 3000+ lbs?

I don't know how they could, in good conscience, call this an FR-S/86 sedan.

yuck. IMO not a GT86 if it is made into a sedan/covertable or what have you..

Yeah - I am not seeing why Subaru would build competition for the WRX.

Other than admitting that they seriously screwed up on the WRX styling ;)

When pigs fly.

That drivetrain sounds like it belongs in the BMW/Toyota joint venture rather than an economical 86 sedan which would have to slot in well under $35k to have a chance in the N.A. market.

it will be like the next toyota chaser lol

i could care less about a sedan, but can see why they are doing it. Toyota has nothing in the 'fun sedan' model line up which is why I'm looking at the FR-S Monogram or elsewhere.

The hybrid AWD is interesting, I became a big believer of AWD sports cars when I used to have an Audi TT >10 years ago, and always wonder why more don't do that (outside cost)

Even so, like look at how many midsized Sedans are out there. Is this what people really want? or they want a fun to drive RWD sedan that's a bit smaller. You know a 86 with usable back seats and two extra doors? lol not a AWD Hybrid WRX Legacy Sedan with Honda style 4WD.

and technically... anything on the 86 platform is kind of an 86, saying it's not is like saying the Levin isn't an 86 and the Trueno is the only one.

but honestly I think enthusiast thinking was something like, Oh 86 and 86 sedan like Integra and Integra sedan right? just RWD. Not... 86 Coupe, 86 hybrid turbo sedan awd....and another thing is that..

what is this going to cost us? cause it doesn't look like it's a corolla or Camry price, this looks like Lexus territory

Perfect. A proper Japanese e46 m3 competitor

Maybe they won't sell many of them. If any at all. If Subaru can make some money by making them for Toyota I assume that's all that matters. It does seem to fit the Scion/Yota line up a lot better than the Subarus. If it doesn't have true AWD and it's styled a lot different it isn't direct competition to a WRX.

If Toyota can pull of a hybrid turbo, more specifically an electric turbo, then I'm all for it. The sedan version with all wheel drive wouldn't be bad to have, but I rather have a sports car. I mean that's the whole reason I've been interested in this car for so damn long.

So many mixed emotions about this car. Lol!

this news is still too vague. i'll wait til they have something more official to announce. in the meantime, i'm happy with my FR-S

I'm sure this will be under the wing of Lexus if it hits US market with a new name like FSX-300. :popcorn:

All hate no mixed emotions here.

Too bad they only indicated the turbo would be for the sedan.

Not interested in turbo sedan ME WANT TURBO 86 Coupe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

< cat with plate of oranges picture >

Wonder if I could get the useless rear doors removed.

Fixed

:bellyroll:

Close. I was thinking of:

http://static2.wikia.nocookie.net/__...t_want_cat.jpg

wait, 300 (assuming crank) horsepower on a hybrid, PUMP powered car? I'll believe it when I see it, but I'm not holding my breath. 250 crank I could see.

Technology like this sounds more likely to be Lexus or Supra for the first few years.

Really? If you want a current example of how this exact scenario plays out look at what happened over at MINI... somehow they got from the delightful and cheeky R53 to the flabby Countryman and bizarre Paceman within one generation. If the new F56 is any indication they show no signs of getting smaller, kind of a shame.

I'll be saving up for a different car thank you very much..

:bellyroll: fuggin Toyota n Subaru. You guys sound like 2 indecisive chicks shopping at a the mall.

I knew the whole light weight, balance, low cost, RWD pitch wasn't gonna last long. Do they really think people are going to pay 40K for a Scion. :thumbdown:

I'll be waiting for the Supra concept in Jan...

Kinda wish they would make it rwd

I look at the front of the car and this is all I see

http://4chan.ch/File/Details?fileID=91378&extension=jpg

I don''t know what you guys are getting so hot and bothered about. It seems that you don't quite get the Toyota philosophy of sharing components across a range of vehicles. The 86/FRS sedan will be a totally different vehicle to the simply stretched and turbocharged version that is being touted, I very much doubt it will even share the same name.


And of course once they have the longer wheelbase refined they can then increase the capacity to 2.5 litres, twincharge it (with the electric motors making a total of 350-400 bhp), bolt on a two seater, longer body and call it a Supra.

yeah you guys aren't thinking straight, if the base sedan comes with a turbo motor, BAM, easy engine swaps into the BRZ and FR-S.

these threads continue to amuse me, ya'll act as though Subaru will stop producing the coupes and make the sedans only or something...

If they make this it'll be the typical "I want a sports car but since I'll never drive spiritedly, only brag, give me all the lux options that'll weigh it down." Do we really need more of those kinds of cars? We already have plenty of BMW, Audi, Nissan, Lexus cars that weigh too much to be anything more than some prissy boy's showboat. Barf. I'll take a simple stage 1 bolt on accessory that my dealer can install with an updated OEM tune, keep all the schmuck options for people who have money but no driving heart.

This thing is absolutely awful, I can't stand Toyota's hybrid everything BS. Give us the turbo motor and leave it at that! There not the only ones either. Has anyone heard of what Mitsubishi is going to do to the Evo? This shit drives me nuts, if you want to make something a hybrid then do it too the Rav4 or one of the trucks. You know, something that people actually want a hybrid version of. Leave the performance cars alone!

So much hate and disgust. If I was a sith, shit would be flying off the walls right now.

Give us a hatch!