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Carolina Dyno 12-16-2013 09:58 PM

Shop Car Update - StopTech Brakes & More
 
We've been really busy with customer builds and PRI but we finally got a chance to get back on the FR-S for a bit. We mounted up the front Trophy Kit with 328mm x 28mm rotors which fit and look great. The rear is a bit more involved.

Fronts:
http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/...tAssembled.jpg

Currently StopTech only offers an even bigger rotor for the rear that has to clear the factory e-brake assembly. This is a lot of extra un-sprung & rotating mass and that's really not what we're after here. We really have no use for the factory e-brake so we decided to remove it all together. We also removed the factory dust shields because they are large steel pieces that incorporate the e-brake mounts.

We machined some hub spacers to replace the e-brake assembly (no geometry is changed) and took some measurements for the rear hat. We'll be using 322mm x 22mm rear rotors with some off the shelf hats from StopTech but well have to machine our own caliper mounts for the Trophy ST22.

Rears:
http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/...-S/Stiched.jpg

We will be offering these as a kit as soon as they are tested on track.

We've also started on our turbo kit so look out in the Forced Induction section for an update on that shortly.

smbstyle 12-16-2013 10:09 PM

Nice!

Let me know if you need some help with the track testing; I'm usually at Sebring every month

industrial 12-17-2013 12:36 PM

Any chance you can weigh the complete stock rear system with the drum hardware? A few of us are curious about the weight savings possible from the rear brake setup.

Carolina Dyno 12-17-2013 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by industrial (Post 1395466)
Any chance you can weigh the complete stock rear system with the drum hardware? A few of us are curious about the weight savings possible from the rear brake setup.

Just went back there and weighed everything. I might not have found every single piece of hardware from the stock setup but they came in at 29lbs a corner vs the StopTech setup I'll be running at 20lbs a corner.

Carolina Dyno 01-02-2014 10:03 PM

We've been slammed at the shop with the holidays but I did have time to get this drawing finished up for the rear rotor hats. We should have these on hand soon and move on to the caliper mounts.

http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/...arRotorHat.jpg

mrk1 01-02-2014 11:38 PM

Nice, I have the 328 front setup too. Id love a rear setup

Carolina Dyno 01-11-2014 07:13 PM

The rear hat is finished up and mounted. Stoptech was able to send us some lines that will fit so all we have left is the caliper bracket... and some wheels that fit.

http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/.../picstitch.jpg

mrk1 01-11-2014 09:09 PM

So if you make your own hats does that mean you don't need the hub spacers?

Carolina Dyno 01-11-2014 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrk1 (Post 1446875)
So if you make your own hats does that mean you don't need the hub spacers?

Poor wording on my part. The "hub spacers" don't actually change any geometry. The factory dust shield & e-brake assembly are the exact same thickness. All the spacer does is replace the thickness lost by removing the dust shield and e-brake.

If you look back at the first picture the top right picture shows that assembly and the bottom left shows it being replaced by the simple aluminum spacer instead.

If that spacer wasn't there you would have to have shorter axles and the wheel offsets would change. I edited the first post to avoid confusion.

mrk1 01-11-2014 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carolina Dyno (Post 1447003)
Poor wording on my part. The "hub spacers" don't actually change any geometry. The factory dust shield & e-brake assembly are the exact same thickness. All the spacer does is replace the thickness lost by removing the dust shield and e-brake.

If you look back at the first picture the top right picture shows that assembly and the bottom left shows it being replaced by the simple aluminum spacer instead.

If that spacer wasn't there you would have to have shorter axles and the wheel offsets would change. I edited the first post to avoid confusion.


Oh ok alright, makes much more sense

Carolina Dyno 01-18-2014 11:14 PM

We've been working on the powertrain side of things for a couple days but I took a couple hours tonight and drew up the rear caliper bracket. Hopefully we can have these on the car before the end of the month!

http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/...keAssembly.jpg

mid_life_crisis 01-19-2014 09:34 AM

Question on the e-brake delete. This is a really interesting project with no useful resale value except for owners who never drive their cars on the street. Are you planning on selling the rear wheel kits for track only use or is it just an exercise to see what happens on your own car?

suaveflooder 01-19-2014 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mid_life_crisis (Post 1462485)
Question on the e-brake delete. This is a really interesting project with no useful resale value except for owners who never drive their cars on the street. Are you planning on selling the rear wheel kits for track only use or is it just an exercise to see what happens on your own car?

Interested as well. My FRS will always be a DD, with focus slowly going toward the track after it gets paid off. Gonna need an e-brake but I LOVE this setup

ZionsWrath 01-19-2014 11:55 AM

what's the capability of the 28mm kits vs the 32 mm ones when it comes to FI and track days.

Carolina Dyno 01-19-2014 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mid_life_crisis (Post 1462485)
Question on the e-brake delete. This is a really interesting project with no useful resale value except for owners who never drive their cars on the street. Are you planning on selling the rear wheel kits for track only use or is it just an exercise to see what happens on your own car?

To be honest the number one reason we are doing this is for our own car. We realize we will never make up the time invested in sales but we do hope to sell a few. Street cars can always use a hydraulic e-brake.

Quote:

Originally Posted by suaveflooder (Post 1462595)
Interested as well. My FRS will always be a DD, with focus slowly going toward the track after it gets paid off. Gonna need an e-brake but I LOVE this setup

We could offer a bolt in hydraulic e-brake as an option if need be. Personally I plan on driving my car on the street with no e-brake but I live in a very flat area.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZionsWrath (Post 1462613)
what's the capability of the 28mm kits vs the 32 mm ones when it comes to FI and track days.

The 32mm is just way overkill, we actually chose to use the 22mm rotors. The only reason the standard StopTech kit comes with such big rear brakes is to clear the e-brake. The smaller rotor and caliper really help with bias as well. Anyone who removes their ABS will notice the rears locking way before the front with stock or the standard StopTech kit, we are hoping to improve this as much as possible.

Even the 22mm will hold up for a full season for most once a month track guys. I had these exact same brakes on my 600whp S2000 Time Attack car and the rotors lasted the whole season, they are still in great shape. Of course we will be personally testing these on our FR-S before releasing them but I expect similar results.

To us it is well worth the time invested even if we never sell one kit, there is nothing more important than removing unsprung & rotational weight from a race car, and to be able to remove both and gain braking performance is a no-brainer.

ZionsWrath 01-19-2014 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carolina Dyno (Post 1463503)
To be honest the number one reason we are doing this is for our own car. We realize we will never make up the time invested in sales but we do hope to sell a few. Street cars can always use a hydraulic e-brake.



We could offer a bolt in hydraulic e-brake as an option if need be. Personally I plan on driving my car on the street with no e-brake but I live in a very flat area.



The 32mm is just way overkill, we actually chose to use the 22mm rotors. The only reason the standard StopTech kit comes with such big rear brakes is to clear the e-brake. The smaller rotor and caliper really help with bias as well. Anyone who removes their ABS will notice the rears locking way before the front with stock or the standard StopTech kit, we are hoping to improve this as much as possible.

Even the 22mm will hold up for a full season for most once a month track guys. I had these exact same brakes on my 600whp S2000 Time Attack car and the rotors lasted the whole season, they are still in great shape. Of course we will be personally testing these on our FR-S before releasing them but I expect similar results.

To us it is well worth the time invested even if we never sell one kit, there is nothing more important than removing unsprung & rotational weight from a race car, and to be able to remove both and gain braking performance is a no-brainer.

I meant the front brakes ^_^

mid_life_crisis 01-19-2014 10:48 PM

I don't know about NC, but most states require an emergency brake by law that has an independent actuation system. They define stopping distance from a particular speed.

Edit: Found this. From G.S. 20-124: Every motor vehicle when operated on a highway shall be equipped with brakes adequate to control the movement of and to stop and hold such vehicle, and shall have all originally equipped brakes in good working order, including two separate means of applying the brakes. If these two separate means of applying the brakes are connected in any way, they shall be so constructed that failure of any one part of the operating mechanism shall not leave the motor vehicle without brakes.

mid_life_crisis 01-20-2014 12:08 PM

@Carolina Dyno
Just out of curiosity, did you look at moving the rear brakes inboard to reduce some unsprung weight? Is there anything that would fit?

Carolina Dyno 01-20-2014 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mid_life_crisis (Post 1463819)
I don't know about NC, but most states require an emergency brake by law that has an independent actuation system. They define stopping distance from a particular speed.

Edit: Found this. From G.S. 20-124: Every motor vehicle when operated on a highway shall be equipped with brakes adequate to control the movement of and to stop and hold such vehicle, and shall have all originally equipped brakes in good working order, including two separate means of applying the brakes. If these two separate means of applying the brakes are connected in any way, they shall be so constructed that failure of any one part of the operating mechanism shall not leave the motor vehicle without brakes.

I'm sure there is a law against virtually everything anyone has done to their car on this forum. In our case we are doing this for our race car and as always everything sold is "for off road use only".

That said I don't see how this is any less safe than those new push button parking brakes.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mid_life_crisis (Post 1464795)
@Carolina Dyno
Just out of curiosity, did you look at moving the rear brakes inboard to reduce some unsprung weight? Is there anything that would fit?

The issue with inboard brakes is axle loads, when you move the brakes inboard you are asking the axle to take the full braking load. Fitting them would be easy, although it would require a custom sub-frame. Usually you wont see an inboard brake setup on anything bigger than carts or small formula cars.

mrk1 01-20-2014 08:19 PM

Brembo makes separate cable actuated parking brake calipers, I've never looked to see if stoptech does. If this kit had that option I would be all over it.

Carolina Dyno 01-21-2014 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrk1 (Post 1466024)
Brembo makes separate cable actuated parking brake calipers, I've never looked to see if stoptech does. If this kit had that option I would be all over it.

They do (pic below) but I don't think I could ever make up the ROI on that one. 99% of people would be fine with a hydraulic parking brake or no parking brake at all. You're talking about days of labor and at least $1000 worth of tooling up to produce something I might sell to 2-3 people. If a few people were willing to pay $4000 just for a set of rear brakes it might be worth it but how many people will jump on that?


http://www.zeckhausen.com/StopTech/S...king_Brake.JPG

jack43 06-06-2014 01:31 AM

Any updates on a rear brake/e-brake kit for sale?

Carolina Dyno 09-09-2014 10:36 PM

We finally got it on the ground, and to use stock wheels we used a hub centric 20mm spacers. All 4 corners have extended lugs.. Needless to say the Carbotech XP10 brake pads are more than satisfactory with the big Stop Tech trophy series brakes.

http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/...R-SFront-1.jpg


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