300+ WHP Innovate Supercharger, Stock Injectors, E85 and EcuTeK
 

Hi All,

Well we managed to break the 300 whp mark with the Innovate Supercharger with some basic upgrades and FlexFuel E85 with EcuTeK RaceROM. With a lot of fine tuning on this car is able to hit 300+ wheel horsepower on a DynoJet Dyno.

http://www.delicioustuning.com/sites...el_DynoJet.jpg
* DynoJet - Comparison Mode

Vehicle: 2013 Scion FRS - FlexFuel Setup
Engine Management: Delicious Tuning EcuTeK ProECU
Exhaust System: Over Pipe, High Flow Cat and Borla Catback
Headers: Borla UEL
Intake: Perrin CAI
Blower: Innovate Supercharger
Options: Intercooler and 70mm Pulley
FlexFuel E85/91
HP: 300+ dynojet (260whp dyno dynamics)

Vehicle: 2013 Scion FRS -Stock Configuration
Engine Management: Stock
Exhaust System: Stock
Headers: Stock
Intake: Stock
Fuel: 91 Octane
HP: 160 dynojet ( 140whp dyno dynamics)

For comparison between Dyno Dynamics Dyno and DynJet Dyno's

http://www.delicioustuning.com/sites...l_vs_Stock.jpg
* DynoDynamics

Stock 2013 Scion FRS produces about
- 140-150 whp on a Dyno Dynamics Dyno
- 170-180 hp on a DynoJet Dyno
- 15% difference in the worst case (150 * 1.15 = 172.50 hp)

2013 Scion FRS w/ Innovate Supercharger on E85 produces about
- 260 whp on a Dyno Dynamics Dyno
- 300+ hp on a DynoJet Dyno
- 15% difference in the worst case (260 * 1.15 = 299 hp)

We have the option to display the dyno chart in "Comparison Mode" which compares the horsepower to a DynoJet Dyno. In "Comparison Mode" we are able surpass the 300 whp mark by quite a margin as seen in the *first image above.

So yes you can make 300+ whp on stock injectors, stock MAF sensor, stock MAP sensor with minimal mods. Spending a LOT of time playing around with Intake and Exhaust overlap along with a few custom maps in the RaceROM custom mapping in with EcuTeK ProECU has allowed us to tune the vehicle on stock injectors, stock MAF and stock MAP sensors.



*** NOTE on Stock Injectors and Stock Pump - 3/7/2019 ***

- Due to how the EcuTeK implements the DI/PI control with more control (as of early 2018), smoother transitioning between the two control strategies and new techniques in power delivery we highly recommend adding in an upgraded fuel pump and larger injectors for this flex fuel setup.

- We will not tune stock injectors and fuel pump on Flex Fuel for Sprintex/Innovate Supercharger kits. Not adding in a pump and injectors will push the stock fuel system well past a reasonable limit with with the control we now have available from EcuTeK.



Cheers,
William Knose

Well done!

I think I just peed a little... nice!

Busty curves:thumbup:

Great work mad scientist, maybe flex with C85 is the way finish my setup

Impressive, gotta say. :)

Like to know with that kinda tuning time what max "safe" #s could be had with 91,94 gas. E85 is non existent here.

NICE!!! Very nice indeed.

What does this car make on 91

Great torque!

That looks.....delicious

very nice! i was hoping to be the first to do it though. :(

Just nice to see that someone managed to do it though!

Ooooo Killing em bill :lol:

Impressive. How much is the blower pulley and intercooler

Just curious if this is on a stock clutch/flywheel? I haven't upgraded mine yet and know that's pushing the limits.

Impressed by the torque curve

Great work and nice looking curves!

Well, we have a number but found out this car had a bad coil pack (#2) and caused the power to be down about 15 horsepower across the board. So I do not have a real number for 91 octane.

But we have another car that made I believe 225 on 91 octane on our dyno with full exhaust, stock headers, 70mm pulley and intecooler.

E85 is the way to go.

Cheers,
William Knose

Surprisingly this car still has a stock clutch and flywheel with about 16K on the engine/tranny. I am a little surprised myself.

Cheers,
William Knose

EXACTLY!! Especially with FI. GREAT NUMBERS!

Thanks. 225 in comparison mode or regular heartbreaker mode

Heart breaker mode. Though I will need to check exactly what it was.

I have seen problems with a couple kits with leaks on various kits, bad coil packs, various exhaust systems, intakes and missing parts causing lower power numbers than expected. Though these are what numbers are to be expected.

Cheers,
William Knose

Alcohol fuel, no care.

We appreciate the time you spent tuning and the power made (benchmark baby!), but EtOH only applies to a minority of the tuner world.

Can you please share how the bad coil packs were diagnosed? Any signs or did you just replace them and the power came up?

At first there were no check engine lights just a weird hiccup at about 6K RPM's under heavy load in 5th gear. Not really anything serious but could never determine what it was. So we ignored it.

After a while it became more pronounced and started throwing P0352 codes for coil pack malfunction on cylinder 2. So we replaced it with the spark plug and all was good.

Cheers,
William Knose

wow, great numbers! How much power are the stock injectors good for on E85?

So far I believe we can net about 350-400 whp on a DynoJet on stock injectors. Though still need to actually do it, but I think it is doable.

Cheers,
William Knose

On ethanol?!

Yeah, I have a few little tricks up my sleeve with EcuTeK RaceROM. ;)

Okay, what's the flow on these things? I don't know how dual injection works, but on single injection cars with ~500cc injectors people were running 1000cc PLUS injectors to get that kind of horsepower.

I guess really it's about how much overhead there is on stock injectors at HP level. I imagine IDCs are just about maxed?

Just realize you have 8 injectors, not 4. Yes the ports are small at about 225cc or something like that, but add in those direct injectors which maybe close to say ~ 400cc (relative guess) in comparison to port injectors. Now you have yourself what seems like another 600+ cc.

There is a way to run them both with EcuTeK RaceROM, as you need the custom mapping to be able to run 8 injectors versus 4. Basically I found a way to do it and you are the first person to ever really comment on it and ask. So thanks for asking.

Cheers,
William Knose

Is this w/ the intercooler? I'm getting this set up

Just so I am clear on this, the stock tune has either port or direct injection running at any time? It doesn't blend between the two?

hm...I wonder if this is the issue i'm having. Every once and a while I get what feels like a hesitation or better yet like traction control kicks on with no light, then goes right back to power. I have tried to capture it on a damn data log but every time I do so, it seems I can never catch it lol.

I originally thought it could be a vacuum leak or something. Guess I will have to keep my eye out for this.

What other leak issues have you encountered, other than the few that have been documented on the forums?

Good job Bill

Yes. Owner has 16k on OEM parts. Only a matter of time before time for an upgrade.

Yes.

No, the stock system uses either or both at any given time, and there are a few tables that control the ratios at a given load/engine speed for different coolant temperatures.

So that's about 10 more Whp than robispec innovative that had no IC?

http://www.delicioustuning.com/node/152

Awesome job! Can't wait to get back to modding in the spring.

Not completely the whole story. :)

This one also has a catalytic converter and intercooler. Slightly different.

Too boot we pushed Robi's to the bleeding edge for the track, where as the tune in this post is far more realistic for the daily driver.

Cheers,
William Knose

Bill, you not going to believe, after 2 weeks of a fixed no leak SC, CEL came on PO351 Ignition Coil Primary/secondary circuit.