will the new wrx engine fit the frs?
 

Im sure this has been mentioned before but im curious if the new 2.0DIT
would fit the frs? The turbo set up is the same as AVO so i dont think it would be too hard for it to fit?

yes it is the same engine as the frs with turbo and DI:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgch4...ature=youtu.be

Is it confirmed which engine will be in the 2015 WRX? If it is the FA20, then you should know the answer... - They did say it is going to be a 2.0L @ 268bhp/258tq

Fit? Yes
Wiring & ECU? GL

Oh also TMIC won't work due to how back the engine is

FA20 DIT I believe. Same as the forester. It has subarus direct injection system instead of toyotas which sucks.

Twin scroll turbo makes this beauty hit 258lb/tq at 2,000rpm.
That would totally fix the frs!

Save the cash and just do the AVO kit then?

What's the CR for the new WRX?

I know i know its just the wrx engine is designed for a turbo so it will last for ever.
All these boosted high compression stock engines in the frs will last 2-3 years and will cause a lot of problems. Its just not built for boost.

I believe its 10:1 but dont quote me on that.

'fit' sure, but the FB20DIT (The FB came years before the FA) isnt going to be anything near plug and play.

Just cause it's designed from factory with boost doesn't mean it'll last forever. A good friend of mine just had a failure in cylinder 3&4 on his 2013 WRX with 30,000km. Not a single power mod installed on it either. Not even a tune.

The other important difference is your friend still has a valid warranty.

No matter how good an engine is im sure there is still a 5% failure rate.
I had an 06 wrx stage 2 that i drove like i stole for 6 years and it was flawless, never had a single issue.

Why do you say FB? this is an FA.

What is FA? The wrx will have a FB unless you link a source I can read?

A few sources:
http://f.redflagdeals.com/archive/in...ile_type=touch
http://theautopanel.blogspot.com/201...-revealed.html

Same engine in the forester xt.

What forester uses an FA? JDM foresters have had the FB since '11.

Do you have an actual source and not just blogs?

Nope the 2013 forester has an FA20DIT you can find this everywhere.
http://www.carnews.com/article.php?id=31974
Ill find better sources.
Ill keep looking.

I see, think we'll have that in the wrx?

Why did you ask if it would fit?

I hate the looks of the wrx but i love the power/torque delivery and i love the
Handling and looks of the frs but i really hate the slow engine.
I want to combine them to make the perfect car.

I think it might be easier to convert the frs engine into a wrx engine with factory parts.
We'll have to see.

K, you got 2 options. Cheap & somewhat reliable way or freaking expensive & reliable way.
Cheap way, go w AVO turbo kit w after market piston & rods to drop the CR
FREAKING expensive way, swap some internal parts of the FA20DIT from JDM Leggy & full custom ECU. They already making over 500hp out of this setup (in japan).

Ringland failure? If yes, that's nothing new.

1. Everyone of my friends who has a subaru, wrecks the engine in 2-3 years

2. Toyota does not design engines that only last 2-3 years (and running 7-8 psi is not going to blow these things up quickly)

I agree with you. the beauty of the FA20DIT is the twin scroll setup which gives you that nice low end torque curve. but that's exactly what I was thinking.
doing a wrx engine knock off. get the factory pistons, rods and cams and drop the AVO turbo in there. My goal is low end torque that kicks in asap.

toyota DIDN'T design this engine.
the only thing that's toyota is the DI system which sucks.

setting aside the top mount intercooler, fit will come down to clearance for the rear mounted turbo and the back firewall.

Given what I have seen in the engine bay, I don't think it will work. Given the cost if it did fit, your better off simply buying a well sorted turbo or supercharger kit. Gets you to the same place for less money.

Couldn't you get the same reliability as well as HP potential from aftermarket internals as well? I wish toyota would come out with more TRD parts. TRD pistons and such would be a pretty cool revival of the brand.

:thumbdown:

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6919
Just give it a read....

Are you trying to say that the engine in are cars is a Toyota because they slapped D4-S on it? Hate to break it to you but these are Subaru cars. Toyota just dreamed it up, Subaru executed the engineering and of course the manufacturing IMHO.


As far as the FA20DIT, no one can tell me that Subaru isn't making a lot more money selling the BRZ than the WRX. I mean the WRX has the better motor, AWD, and 500 lbs more steel.


I think if Toyota/Subaru would get their heads out of their A$$ or had a little competition they could make the FRZ standard with the different tuned FA20DIT for no price increase. Hopefully healthy competition from Nissan will force them into it.

You can... but for how much R&D Subaru tested on FA20DIT vs aftermarket, IDK

The biggest thing is DIT. Piston tops matched perfectly to the combustion chamber all for best DI performance under boost.


I think if AVO+FA20 = OEM reliability Subaru wouldn't have redesigned the heads and pistons. JMHO. The OEMs have a lot of tools available to them. Avo does have a great track record though and its going to be much less expensive, the tuning is very critical.


The way to do this swap would be to keep your FA20 block/crank and replace the pistons, heads, DI, and ECU. It will be interesting to see if many 2015 WRX owners sell their engines for builds. Maybe we'll get lucky and all the 2015 WRX geeks will hate the DI and swap to FB's :)

I think your head is in your ass for thinking they will sell a turbo Twin for 26 grand and I know the engine is subarus but Toyota put their name on it. That means a lot to them, just like all of the Yamaha tunes heads and valve trains they have put their name on before and those engines are solid

yes, well known fact - Toyota does not put their name on a car that has a POS engine is what I meant. and the DI system is great, tuners seem to be getting pretty easy HP gains with turbos and quality gas - for a system that "sucks" there sure is a LOT of 400hp cars out there within 2 years of launch.

I didn't say twin turbo, but I'm telling you there is a lot more expense in the components making up the current WRX which sells for the same as the BRZ. There is a big margin on the BRZ probably being used to pay off the cap & dev costs. It would have cost less for Subaru to use a versionof the FA20DIT instead of the FA20 D4-S IMHO.



That's a good point a lot of us are betting on .

Sorry, just want to clarify, I meant a turbo'd Twin (FRS/BRZ)

The WRX has a premium over the BRZ in price, at least in Canadathe BRZ is $27k and the WRX is $32.5k. That 5,500 goes a long way. Also, the FRS is even cheaper, so a turbo in that price range isn't really an option, unless we look at offerings from like Ford or Hyundai but they sell in much greater volume and use the engine in high volume cars elsewhere.

Honestly, does it really matter if the car/engine is a toyota or subaru? The engines here, the cars here, work with what you have. Honestly you got this car either for the looks or what you can turn it into. Yes it can use some extra power.

A.) Get a turobed car
B.) Turbo your FR-Z/BRZ

end of story. If you don't have to money to do either, sell the damn car and get a sr swapped 240. I really don't understand why everyon cares about factory parts. Yes they have the R&D behind thier parts but that doesn't mean they're engine is going to last forever. Save money and mod your car the right way while not cheaping out and your golden.

Yeah, I expect a markup on a turbo or larger displacement engine in the FT86 as well.

The WRX is a souped up Impreza sedan and those are priced from $18-23K with a loaded one going for $22-23K. The WRX is going for about $6K more than a loaded Impreza Limited. I would expect an STI BRZ to sell for $4-6K more than the base BRZ as well depending on options.

Unless sales for the twins plummet, I don't see Subaru or Toyota selling a much more powerful FT86 for the same price as the current model.

Yeah, this has been going on for years. For the people who did not test drive the car, did not look at the specs or read any of the reviews regarding the power, you hopefully learned a lesson. For everyone else, you should know what you are getting before you sign the dotted line.

Don't like it, sell it and move on, life is too short to be bitter all the time. Get yourself a V6 Mustang, Gencoupe, or a used S2K, etc. Lots of options out there that make more power for the same money.

Maybe they should maintain their engines better then. My Outback has 120k miles, and it's still going strong.

(Admittedly, it's not a turbo engine though)

If FD fanboys are any indication, the flood of newbies asking about 2JZ swap into ZC6/ZN6 will arrive sometime on/after April 2014.

But the main thing here is, people don't understand what an OEM turbo setup is for, and what an aftermarket turbo setup is for.

If Subaru wanted a specific engine output, or Toyota, frankly it's easy. But to meet the emissions and fuel efficiency targets that was laid out, that was not easy at all. That's why Toyota contributed their direct injection, because it raised the fuel consumption and emissions targets to the point where they can sell the car globally.

Aftermarket? Sure you can make great power. But no one is measuring tailpipe emissions, so a lot of the "power" being made is just stuff lost from meeting emissions regulations on a factory setup.

All this power talk is secondary, to be honest, and any aftermarket comparison of how powerful a turbo engine is versus the crappy factory DI setup is wildly misleading.

-alex

That's the issue right there

and yes, these guys probably treat their car's like ass, over boosting and running accessport tunes that are not meant for our gas - so they deserve it, but I still know too many stock sti's that fall as well.