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smbstyle 11-17-2013 12:24 PM

Centric Premium Rotors - too thick?
 
So I got around to installing OEM replacement rotors (Centric Premium), and after installing them with the OEM pads w/ shims (OEM pads have about 2k miles on them), I found that I couldn't get the caliper around the pads and rotor, and actually had to remove the first shim on the backing plates for the caliper to even squeeze on.

There is no space at all for the pads to move, and are pressed against the rotor.

Has anyone else running Centric premium rotors had this issue?

My only solution at this point is try out a new set or have them turned.

Calum 11-17-2013 12:41 PM

Or let the pads wear down the little bit until.

smbstyle 11-17-2013 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Calum (Post 1336619)
Or let the pads wear down the little bit until.

My concern is when I put the race pads on which are a tad bit thicker than the lightly OEM pads; I don't think they'll even fit.

Calum 11-17-2013 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by smbstyle (Post 1336629)
My concern is when I put the race pads on which are a tad bit thicker than the lightly OEM pads; I don't think they'll even fit.

Bastard file?

Carolina Dyno 11-17-2013 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by smbstyle (Post 1336591)
So I got around to installing OEM replacement rotors (Centric Premium), and after installing them with the OEM pads w/ shims (OEM pads have about 2k miles on them), I found that I couldn't get the caliper around the pads and rotor, and actually had to remove the first shim on the backing plates for the caliper to even squeeze on.

There is no space at all for the pads to move, and are pressed against the rotor.

Has anyone else running Centric premium rotors had this issue?

My only solution at this point is try out a new set or have them turned.

Did you spread the pistons all the way back out?

smbstyle 11-17-2013 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Carolina Dyno (Post 1337024)
Did you spread the pistons all the way back out?

lol, yes, definitely did.

Carolina Dyno 11-17-2013 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by smbstyle (Post 1337057)
lol, yes, definitely did.

Sorry, had to ask... I've seen simpler things overlooked.

smbstyle 11-17-2013 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Carolina Dyno (Post 1337236)
Sorry, had to ask... I've seen simpler things overlooked.

Exact same reason for my lol, watched a guy scratch his head for an hour at the track trying to get his new pads on, not realizing he needs to compress the pistons!

celica73 11-19-2013 07:37 AM

I'm using Centric Premium rotors and have had no such issues. Initial installation was new rotors with new Hawk DC60 pads, using the OEM pad shims.

smbstyle 11-19-2013 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by celica73 (Post 1339927)
I'm using Centric Premium rotors and have had no such issues. Initial installation was new rotors with new Hawk DC60 pads, using the OEM pad shims.

Hm, interesting. Do you know what the total overall thickness of the new Hawk pads were?

subielife 11-19-2013 11:33 AM

i have used them on the BRZ with both street and track pads. no issues

mav1178 11-19-2013 11:40 AM

What is the minimum thickness of the rotors you have? Are they the right ones for the car?

It may very well be a case of mispackaged rotors.

-alex

smbstyle 11-19-2013 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by mav1178 (Post 1340241)
What is the minimum thickness of the rotors you have? Are they the right ones for the car?

It may very well be a case of mispackaged rotors.

-alex

These rotors measure 0.949", my OEM rotors measured about 0.943", so really not that big of a difference, but just enough that they're dragging a bit, and couldn't fit that top shim on the OEM pads on.

I drove around for about 20 miles yesterday, which was enough to take off enough pad material to get the second top shim on the OEM pads.

TemeCal 11-19-2013 12:03 PM

I ran them last track season, with Carbotech XP10 (fronts) and XP8 (rears). I never had an issue like this. Mine seems to fit just fine. I believe my centric blank part numbers were:

Front- 120.47021
Rear- 120.47031

smbstyle 11-19-2013 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by TemeCal (Post 1340279)
I ran them last track season, with Carbotech XP10 (fronts) and XP8 (rears). I never had an issue like this. Mine seems to fit just fine. I believe my centric blank part numbers were:

Front- 120.47021
Rear- 120.47031

Thanks, that's the front part # I'm running; maybe just an issue with the set I got?

Also, how long did the Centric's last you?

mav1178 11-19-2013 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by smbstyle (Post 1340253)
These rotors measure 0.949", my OEM rotors measured about 0.943", so really not that big of a difference, but just enough that they're dragging a bit, and couldn't fit that top shim on the OEM pads on.

Not what you're measuring... I meant what the minimum thickness etched on the rotors say.

It may be a case of wrong blanks to begin with, and they were subsequently drilled for the car.

-alex

smbstyle 11-19-2013 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by mav1178 (Post 1340297)
Not what you're measuring... I meant what the minimum thickness etched on the rotors say.

It may be a case of wrong blanks to begin with, and they were subsequently drilled for the car.

-alex

sorry.

22mm minimum thickness is etched on the outer edge.

TemeCal 11-19-2013 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by smbstyle (Post 1340283)
Thanks, that's the front part # I'm running; maybe just an issue with the set I got?

Also, how long did the Centric's last you?

I got 6(?) track days out of them. There is still a lot of life left in them, but my last track day (Spring Mountain) was very hard on the brakes. I noticed some very small cracks, so I didn't risk using them any more. I ended up purchasing the AP Racing kit. However, I thought for the money...the centric blanks were phenomenal. My brother is a little easier on braking, and his hardly show any wear after 6+ events.

smbstyle 11-19-2013 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by TemeCal (Post 1340301)
I got 6(?) track days out of them. There is still a lot of life left in them, but my last track day (Spring Mountain) was very hard on the brakes. I noticed some very small cracks, so I didn't risk using them any more. I ended up purchasing the AP Racing kit. However, I thought for the money...the centric blanks were phenomenal. My brother is a little easier on braking, and his hardly show any wear after 6+ events.

I tend run them past the normal heat checking, until they get some serious cracks that I can catch a fingernail on or if the crack gets to the outer edge.

Here's my OEM rotor after 7 track days on them, and it is TOAST:

https://scontent-a-mia.xx.fbcdn.net/...50675249_n.jpg

shawnhayes 11-24-2013 09:59 PM

Be glad. Good problem to have. Thicker rotor, more mass, more heat capacity at track, longer wear.

When you need to put new pads on the next time, the minor wear will have worn down the surface just enough...

Shawn



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glamcem 07-30-2014 08:02 PM

How do you guys measure the thickness of the rotor from the edges or somewhere in the middle?

And how do you tell if it's time to replace them?

I have about 6-7 track days on them and cannot see any cracks but since I've received my ST43 brakes today I wonder if I should change the rotors as well

dradernh 07-30-2014 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by glamcem (Post 1874269)
How do you guys measure the thickness of the rotor from the edges or somewhere in the middle?

And how do you tell if it's time to replace them?

I have about 6-7 track days on them and cannot see any cracks but since I've received my ST43 brakes today I wonder if I should change the rotors as well

1) Micrometer (cheap one is fine); anywhere the pad sweeps - http://www.harborfreight.com/0-to-1-...meter-895.html

2) The minimum thickness is stamped on the edge of the rotors; best to note the value before you use the rotors as it can be hard to find/read after you've used them.

3) I'd measure them first to see how much rotor you have left. For the street, it's unlikely to matter how close to the minimum thickness it is. For the track, you can run them until cracks wide enough to catch a fingernail appear; if you're handy and have a spare set of rotors with you, you can change them out at the track if that becomes necessary. Since I don't have a twin, I can't tell you how long that will take, but it's usually a short job.

glamcem 07-31-2014 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by dradernh (Post 1874578)
1) Micrometer (cheap one is fine); anywhere the pad sweeps - http://www.harborfreight.com/0-to-1-...meter-895.html


I have a digital clamp I just wanted to see if anyone knows the actual thickness of the Centric Premium rotors and the recommended range
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2) The minimum thickness is stamped on the edge of the rotors; best to note the value before you use the rotors as it can be hard to find/read after you've used them.
it's too late :) never paid attention to that

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3) I'd measure them first to see how much rotor you have left. For the street, it's unlikely to matter how close to the minimum thickness it is. For the track, you can run them until cracks wide enough to catch a fingernail appear; if you're handy and have a spare set of rotors with you, you can change them out at the track if that becomes necessary. Since I don't have a twin, I can't tell you how long that will take, but it's usually a short job.
Agree I carry extra pads and rotors with me as well as the small jack and jack stands and a spare tire just in case ;)


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