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Phantobe 11-14-2013 11:23 AM

First Speeding Ticket, Oh JOY!
 
So I got my first speeding ticket today ever...

Been driving since I was 16, am now 23. 7 Years of clean driving...The ticket calls for 70mph in a 45mph, which is a bunch of bull first of all because the speed limit quickly changes from 45 to 55. Granted I was still speeding regardless...oops.

So anyway in NYS thats something like a $400 fine, 6pts on your license and another $300 fine for driving responsibility fee or some other bs.

Anyways I talked to a bunch of people at work and the best route to go is plead not guilty and go to court. They said what will happen is you talk to the DA they offer you a plea bargain still get fined but substantially less something like $150 non moving violation and 0pts on your license. Reason being is that the town will get the money whereas if I pleaded guilty the state would get the money.

Out of curiosity I called an attorney and that would charge a flat rate of $500 (yikes) and guaranteed to lower the points and fee for the fine. This did not sound very appealing to me...

Can anyone give me some either legal advice or advice via past experiences. Right now I think I'll just go to court, if what the peeps at my work are saying is true. I'm guessing stuff like this will vary from state-state.

sklimo 11-14-2013 11:41 AM

http://www.worldlawdirect.com/articl...ng-ticket.html

husker741 11-14-2013 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Phantobe (Post 1331134)
Can anyone give me some either legal advice.

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view5/213...-asshole-o.gif

husker741 11-14-2013 11:45 AM

No, but seriously I would post in your specific region and ask people from your state because every state will handle it differently. Good luck.

cfusionpm 11-14-2013 11:49 AM

Good luck. I got three $400+ speeding tickets in my late teens, but haven't had one at all in the past decade. You'll learn eventually. It's not about always going the speed limit, it's about not weaving, not drawing attention, not driving like a jerk, and be extremely aware of cars around you and parked on the side. I've had red sporty cars for 15 years and speed all the time. I just don't get pulled over anymore because I drive smart. Pay it and learn from it rather than get out of it and keep driving in ways that will get you more tickets.

Phantobe 11-14-2013 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by sklimo (Post 1331170)

Good link!

Just gonna plea not guilty...I have nothing to lose. This is my first offense ever with me behind the wheel so hopefully I can get a plea bargain or even better the officer just doesn't show up.

Crappy way to end the week...BLAH.

I'll post in the "NY" section.

Any further advice will be appreciated.

STV3 11-14-2013 01:04 PM

Plea not guilty and send the ticket in. When you get your court date the cop or the DA will plea bargain with you and 9/10 times give you a parking violation with no points. Especially since this is your first offense.

BlueDubbinTDI 11-14-2013 01:15 PM

I got my first and only 3 when I was 17 and 18. 24 now and only got a warning for rolling a stop sign since. It's not worth the insurance rate molestation tickets cause.

Kelbyat07 11-14-2013 01:46 PM

The cop didn't even give you a warning for your first offense?

Phantobe 11-14-2013 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Kelbyat07 (Post 1331448)
The cop didn't even give you a warning for your first offense?

Nope he was a ****.

Hardly said anything to me...just gave me a ticket and I was on my way. I tried to be as polite as possible. Cops do make me a bit nervous.

And I'm going to check on my way home but... he didn't pull me over the zone I was even speeding in. If my memory serves me correctly, initially the speed limit is 45mph then it picks up to 55mph in a very short amount of distance. He claims I was speeding in the 45mph zone, so he must have followed me for a good 2.5 miles and I turned down another main road before he even pulled me over.

Kelbyat07 11-14-2013 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Phantobe (Post 1331627)
Nope he was a ****.

Hardly said anything to me...just gave me a ticket and I was on my way. I tried to be as polite as possible. Cops do make me a bit nervous.

And I'm going to check on my way home but... he didn't pull me over the zone I was even speeding in. If my memory serves me correctly, initially the speed limit is 45mph then it picks up to 55mph in a very short amount of distance. He claims I was speeding in the 45mph zone, so he must have followed me for a good 2.5 miles and I turned down another main road before he even pulled me over.

Hey well good luck in your situation. My first offense was a warning, i eas going 50 on a 35 at a mall.

n2oinferno 11-14-2013 03:12 PM

Definitely go to court. But just pleading not guilty doesn't mean you're going to get off automatically, first offense or not. A lawyer can get that down for you, and I know 500 bucks seems like a lot now, but ask yourself how much this may increase your insurance premiums for the next several years.

And hold up, back up a second here.. The cop was a **** because he didn't give you a warning? You were speeding. You broke the law. He did his job. Now it's time to deal with the consequences of your actions.

Leonardo 11-14-2013 04:38 PM

Last ticket I got was in my 4 day old S2000. LOL 86 in a 55.

Good luck. When I first started driving, cops gave out more warnings. Now they give out tickets to make revenue. Just my opinion.

Phantobe 11-14-2013 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by n2oinferno (Post 1331672)
Definitely go to court. But just pleading not guilty doesn't mean you're going to get off automatically, first offense or not. A lawyer can get that down for you, and I know 500 bucks seems like a lot now, but ask yourself how much this may increase your insurance premiums for the next several years.

And hold up, back up a second here.. The cop was a **** because he didn't give you a warning? You were speeding. You broke the law. He did his job. Now it's time to deal with the consequences of your actions.

I didn't say he was **** because he didn't give me a warning. Just the way he came off to me wasn't very professional, seemed like someone pissed in his coffee.

Generally when you treat an officer of the law with respect they do the same back, and sometimes that helps to reduce a ticket.

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Chee-Hu 11-14-2013 06:59 PM

Speed trap! We've got a lot of those speed limits going from 55, 35, 25. So if you are not familiar with the place, you'll most likely get busted.

Sorry OP, there is no way around it. I know several people who have gotten it and were never able to get away from not paying the fine.

Whitigir 11-14-2013 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by cfusionpm (Post 1331188)
Good luck. I got three $400+ speeding tickets in my late teens, but haven't had one at all in the past decade. You'll learn eventually. It's not about always going the speed limit, it's about not weaving, not drawing attention, not driving like a jerk, and be extremely aware of cars around you and parked on the side. I've had red sporty cars for 15 years and speed all the time. I just don't get pulled over anymore because I drive smart. Pay it and learn from it rather than get out of it and keep driving in ways that will get you more tickets.

The reason why owning Sport cars in the NA is so ridiculously pointless, unless you go to the track.

Really, if you don't go to the track, the fastest straight line power win in real life situation all day, any day. Because you can punch it to pass, or to merge. Usually, you don't get ticket because of passing, or merging. If you drift into the corners...you are sure to get many tickets slaps...

Beside, it look like the best market now is for the mid life crisis. People who have family, haul family, still want sporty feels. Those are high performance CUV, and Hatch.

There will be more of Hatch and CUV later, especially the Audi Q5 RS, and diesel version together with Sedan as well

n2oinferno 11-14-2013 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Phantobe (Post 1331964)
I didn't say he was **** because he didn't give me a warning. Just the way he came off to me wasn't very professional, seemed like someone pissed in his coffee.

Generally when you treat an officer of the law with respect they do the same back, and sometimes that helps to reduce a ticket.

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And they all have their bad days too. I worked for the SCHP in my last job and it gave me a lot more respect for those guys. Before that I was no fan of cops at all. Keep in mind that every single stop it's in their head that the occupant(s) of the vehicle they just stopped could try to cause them harm. The guy before you could've been a total a-hole. The officer could've just left the scene of an accident and had to witness things that nobody really should have to.. You were doing 25 over. Yes, I know, the limit dropped, and I'm not trying to be all holier than thou 'cause I've had a much worse ticket and a license suspension, but in a lot of cases a young guy doing more than 50% over the limit and they're not going to be too happy with you. All in all it could've been a lot worse. IMO, get a lawyer and get it handled.

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Originally Posted by Whitigir (Post 1332123)
The reason why owning Sport cars in the NA is so ridiculously pointless, unless you go to the track.

Really, if you don't go to the track, the fastest straight line power win in real life situation all day, any day. Because you can punch it to pass, or to merge. Usually, you don't get ticket because of passing, or merging. If you drift into the corners...you are sure to get many tickets slaps..

That's because, according to your profile, you live in Ohio. Back when I lived in IL I may have agreed with you, because yes, straight for miles and that's all there is. But in the Carolinas there are enough mountains that I'll take a car with a horsepower deficit for a boost to handling. Don't get me wrong, I'll always have a bit of power lust, but your surroundings will build a deeper appreciation for a more nimble vehicle.

bkblitzed 11-14-2013 10:20 PM

Just try to fight it, worst case nothing happens, best case you either get a smaller fine/points or case is dropped. I only got a speeding ticket once, in Lake tahoe in my sti completely my fault haha.

cfusionpm 11-14-2013 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by n2oinferno (Post 1332385)
That's because, according to your profile, you live in Ohio. Back when I lived in IL I may have agreed with you, because yes, straight for miles and that's all there is. But in the Carolinas there are enough mountains that I'll take a car with a horsepower deficit for a boost to handling. Don't get me wrong, I'll always have a bit of power lust, but your surroundings will build a deeper appreciation for a more nimble vehicle.

You should see some of the places we have in California. :burnrubber:

Even San Diego County has some gold: http://goo.gl/maps/kHsHi

dem00n 11-14-2013 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by cfusionpm (Post 1332455)
You should see some of the places we have in California. :burnrubber:

Even San Diego County has some gold: http://goo.gl/maps/kHsHi

Yeah, but then you gotta live in Cali.


:lol:

Evil Jesus 11-15-2013 01:25 AM

I saw you're in Buffalo so I hope you read this part of the link posted above:
"New York DMV Transit Adjudication Board

The State of New York offers a unique challenge for successfully fighting traffic tickets. Actually this challenge exists in Albany, Buffalo, Rochester and New York City. If you receive a citation in these cities you are essentially doomed. These cities utilize the DMV Transit Adjudication Bureau. This facility is not a real court. You have no right to discovery, you don’t get a supporting deposition, you cannot plea bargain and you don’t even get a real judge. Appeals are virtually non-existent and according to a recent report, the Bureau is required to maintain a 65% conviction rate in order to maintain revenues. The only positive is that the Administrative Law Judge doesn’t have the power of incarceration so you won’t end up in jail.

The only hope for a small measure of success in this venue is to file as many continuances as possible and hope that the officer finally doesn’t show for your appearance date. This is the only way you will manage to beat a citation in this skewed excuse for a court system. As hard as it is to believe, this system is legal and constitutional. Continued efforts to revise this system have been vetoed by the governors at the time since it is realized that this system is a money machine. The best advice is not to get a ticket in any of these locations."
I'm in Albany but have never gotten a ticket here. This kinda scares me actually.

cfusionpm 11-15-2013 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by dem00n (Post 1332529)
Yeah, but then you gotta live in Cali.


:lol:

California is probably the most beautiful and diverse state in the whole country. Plenty of dumb car and gun laws, but NY isn't any better in that regard. I love it here. :party0030:

chrisl 11-15-2013 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by dem00n (Post 1332529)
Yeah, but then you gotta live in Cali.


:lol:

You could always come to Colorado, where we have the mountains, amazing road, and scenery, but you don't have to be in Cali...

;)

subyboy 11-15-2013 01:55 PM

make some cop friends get a pba card every year and call it a day hahah

Phantobe 12-06-2013 12:04 PM

If anyone cares reduced to a parking ticket 150 dollars + 75 dollar attorney fee.

No points on my license or driving school, suuuuuuuck it!

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jarviz 12-06-2013 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by cfusionpm (Post 1331188)
Good luck. I got three $400+ speeding tickets in my late teens, but haven't had one at all in the past decade. You'll learn eventually. It's not about always going the speed limit, it's about not weaving, not drawing attention, not driving like a jerk, and be extremely aware of cars around you and parked on the side. I've had red sporty cars for 15 years and speed all the time. I just don't get pulled over anymore because I drive smart. Pay it and learn from it rather than get out of it and keep driving in ways that will get you more tickets.

wow. how the hell did your license not get suspended lol. I'm more curious as to how your insurance rate got affected tho. Care to share?

bkblitzed 12-06-2013 02:29 PM

I drive like an asshole all the time. When you drive 4 hours a day for work you gain a hatred for other drivers in certain areas. I drive like an asshole just to get away from those drivers haha. Knock on wood since I only have 1 speeding ticket and I'm 21

OrbitalEllipses 12-06-2013 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by bkblitzed (Post 1373083)
Knock on wood since I only have 1 speeding ticket and I'm 21

I had 1 speeding ticket per year on average from 17 until I was 22.

bkblitzed 12-06-2013 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses (Post 1373089)
I had 1 speeding ticket per year on average from 17 until I was 22.

Yikes thankfully I've gotten a lot of warnings and fix it tickets haha

OrbitalEllipses 12-06-2013 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by bkblitzed (Post 1373100)
Yikes thankfully I've gotten a lot of warnings and fix it tickets haha

Ask me about the last year. :D

bkblitzed 12-06-2013 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses (Post 1373101)
Ask me about the last year. :D

Lol did you get one last year. How's the point system work in MD? In Cali every year and a half traffic points get erased.

dbrandt01 12-06-2013 02:39 PM

Glad to see it worked out for you. Better than the initial thought.

I've had one ticket. I was 16 and got caught for a 55 in a 25. At this time I had a Nissan Maxima. My father knew a cop so I ended up doing 20 hours of community service. No points on my license. Insurance stayed the same. I've had many many close calls, but I try not to speed anymore. My mood reflects on how I drive.

OrbitalEllipses 12-06-2013 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by bkblitzed (Post 1373104)
Lol did you get one last year. How's the point system work in MD? In Cali every year and a half traffic points get erased.

They last 2 or 3 years here. 8 points is a temporary suspension, 12 points is a revocation. Reckless driving is 3+ violations at one time or >20 over posted limit.

I got two warnings and two tickets last year. 0 points on my license for the last 5 years. ;)

ZionsWrath 12-06-2013 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evil Jesus (Post 1332757)
I saw you're in Buffalo so I hope you read this part of the link posted above:
"New York DMV Transit Adjudication Board

The State of New York offers a unique challenge for successfully fighting traffic tickets. Actually this challenge exists in Albany, Buffalo, Rochester and New York City. If you receive a citation in these cities you are essentially doomed. These cities utilize the DMV Transit Adjudication Bureau. This facility is not a real court. You have no right to discovery, you don’t get a supporting deposition, you cannot plea bargain and you don’t even get a real judge. Appeals are virtually non-existent and according to a recent report, the Bureau is required to maintain a 65% conviction rate in order to maintain revenues. The only positive is that the Administrative Law Judge doesn’t have the power of incarceration so you won’t end up in jail.

The only hope for a small measure of success in this venue is to file as many continuances as possible and hope that the officer finally doesn’t show for your appearance date. This is the only way you will manage to beat a citation in this skewed excuse for a court system. As hard as it is to believe, this system is legal and constitutional. Continued efforts to revise this system have been vetoed by the governors at the time since it is realized that this system is a money machine. The best advice is not to get a ticket in any of these locations."
I'm in Albany but have never gotten a ticket here. This kinda scares me actually.

This is the truth. I got a ticket in NYC (my previous tickets were in neighboring areas). The judge said there is no "plea bargaining". The only thing he can do is reduce the ticket to the police officers "estimated speed
".

For me it was 73 in a 50 and the estimated speed was 70. So this reduced it from 6 points to 4 and eliminated the $300 fee. I guess that is good but out of NYC I have been set free of 83 in a 50 before when going to court.

I have been driving quite slow in the city limits these days...

ZionsWrath 12-06-2013 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by bkblitzed (Post 1373083)
I drive like an asshole all the time. When you drive 4 hours a day for work you gain a hatred for other drivers in certain areas. I drive like an asshole just to get away from those drivers haha. Knock on wood since I only have 1 speeding ticket and I'm 21

4 hour commuting daily?

Please get another job, dear lord jesus on a crutch

Liltuffgirl 12-06-2013 03:22 PM

Lol!
Here you can do driving class to drop it.

And it doesn't matter where the officer pulls you over as long as they see you do it. Sometimes it takes a bit to catch up. Sometimes they want to run your plate first and that can sometimes take forever.

bkblitzed 12-06-2013 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ZionsWrath (Post 1373179)
4 hour commuting daily?

Please get another job, dear lord jesus on a crutch

Well its not really a commute. Im a dental tech and we deliver to dentists. So 4 hours of picking up and delivering haha. That's why I fill up every other day on my car, and why I have 13k miles but I've only had it for 5 months brand new lol

Liltuffgirl 12-06-2013 03:59 PM

A friend of mine works for Ducati and constantly drives. His company vehicle is an Audi Q5 and they don't like them to get more than 12k miles before the switch them out to a new car. Must be nice.

bkblitzed 12-06-2013 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Liltuffgirl (Post 1373304)
A friend of mine works for Ducati and constantly drives. His company vehicle is an Audi Q5 and they don't like them to get more than 12k miles before the switch them out to a new car. Must be nice.

daam i would love to dd a different car instead of mine lol

cfusionpm 12-07-2013 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by jarviz (Post 1372846)
wow. how the hell did your license not get suspended lol. I'm more curious as to how your insurance rate got affected tho. Care to share?

They were outside of 18 months of each other and completed driving school for each. Insurance is lower now, seeing as I haven't gotten a ticket in more than a decade, but it's also lower thanks to some creative work between my very helpful mom and I on our shared insurance plan (which thankfully has no age limit) and primary driver classifications.


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