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NOHOME 10-15-2013 11:21 PM

Seems to stumble at idle?
 
Is a stumble during idle normal for this engine?

Muaddib 10-15-2013 11:24 PM

Need more information. But it is most likely the a/c compressor is turning on and off.

drewbot 10-16-2013 12:05 AM

It's been happening to me when the engine is cold these mornings.

At stop signs it almost feels like it's going to stall when idling.

Only until maybe 3-4 minutes into it, it warms up and my idle doesn't seem so uneasy.

humfrz 10-16-2013 12:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NOHOME (Post 1272857)
Is a stumble during idle normal for this engine?

I'd say not normal, if the engine is warm.

When it's cold, you may consider letting the engine do its little warm up routine (about 15-20 seconds) before you head out.... :)

humfrz

Akabadaz 10-16-2013 01:00 AM

Hmm...when I am stopped at idle such as waiting for someone there is definitely some stumbling/purring occasionally...I also have always had this in my tacoma.

Also, I have driven hundreds of rentals for my job and they do similiar so I'm under the impression that it is normal unless it starts sounding like it is about to turn off...

It would seem to be common normalty but if I'm wrong I would need to get my cars checked out or like the other person said perhaps it has to do with the AC?

Tromatic 10-16-2013 01:05 AM

The AC compressor also runs if you have it on "defrost".

lickitysplit 10-16-2013 08:47 AM

Mine does this as well, seems to dance between 500-1000 rpm when at idle with the AC on. Pretty sure it has something to do with the compressor as I hear it click when the RPM fluctuates. I recall my brothers tacoma doing the same thing.

strat61caster 10-16-2013 12:38 PM

I get a 'stumble' as well when coming to a stop as the rpm drops after I depress the clutch (mostly when cold, seems more stable when warm). Barring the A/C compressor (which results in idle hunting for me) I think it's a consequence of setting the idle as low as possible to squeeze a couple 1/10ths of an mpg out of the car during the city cycle. People with tunes have raised the idle and it seems to get rid of the stumbles and hunting. But I'm just going off of hearsay.

Unless it stalls or you get a check engine light nobody is going to fix the problem for you, it'll be called 'normal operation'. Bleh makes me nervous.

MAPerformance 10-16-2013 01:02 PM

You may be experiencing the "idle dip" that these cars have stock. Mine idled pretty low and rough too when I got it. A good tune with a raised idle helped ten fold. Its soooo smooth now.

hmong337 10-16-2013 01:40 PM

Mine does this as well. A few stumbles here and there during a complete cold start but I think it's normal.

hushypushy 10-16-2013 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MAPerformance (Post 1273831)
You may be experiencing the "idle dip" that these cars have stock. Mine idled pretty low and rough too when I got it. A good tune with a raised idle helped ten fold. Its soooo smooth now.

What did you raise your idle to?

TruRace 10-16-2013 09:04 PM

I am having similar issues

jflogerzi 10-16-2013 11:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hushypushy (Post 1274733)
What did you raise your idle to?

My tuner did this as well. I think its around 800rpm

MAPerformance 10-17-2013 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hushypushy (Post 1274733)
What did you raise your idle to?

I think its around 850 right now.

13un 10-17-2013 10:49 AM

Same thing happened to me but it went away after awhile

Pbrown 10-17-2013 10:55 AM

K & N Filter
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by NOHOME (Post 1272857)
Is a stumble during idle normal for this engine?

The drop in filter took care of that issue for me.

NOHOME 10-17-2013 11:00 AM

Will check to see if it is related to the defrost.

I might have been doing this since new, but you know how once you notice something you can't help but notice it everytime? Seems to stumble a bit too much for a modern engine. That said, the "boxer" family of engines is new to me.

No CEL so I won't rush to the dealer.

Thanks one and all for thoughts.

Jertronic 10-17-2013 11:45 AM

I regularly stumble when walking through my doorway on Friday nights.

I am starting to think that just having the radio on is enough of a load on the alternator to cause a blip in the idle... Mine drops from about 550 to 500 rpm when doing the idle drop thing.

hushypushy 10-18-2013 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jflogerzi (Post 1275134)
My tuner did this as well. I think its around 800rpm

Quote:

Originally Posted by MAPerformance (Post 1275761)
I think its around 850 right now.

Yeah this just seems way more reasonable for a 4-banger, even if it is a boxer.

My idle is always right at 650 but it doesn't feel smooth

Ah, I miss my Honda days. Just turn the idle adjust screw and you're set ;)

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NOHOME 10-18-2013 09:54 PM

Defroster seems to be the answer. Turned off and less stumble.

whtchocla7e 10-18-2013 10:34 PM

My idle is never smooth. Even though the tach needle doesn't bounce, I still feel micro-stumbles at almost regular intervals. Sitting at lights sometimes drives me crazy :)

I hear the compressor in these cars runs at all times.

TruRace 10-18-2013 10:43 PM

My idle occasionally stumbles, even after tune. Kind of annoying.

Fallen43 10-18-2013 10:50 PM

Lets face we may love our cars but the are built like crap it's a shame that they are aware of the trouble and they refuse to fix the issues that so many of us have. Why don't they just get one of these great tuners and get the cars tuned as they should be.

Frstorm 10-18-2013 10:52 PM

Fallen- guess my was built better than yours since I have zero complaints. Or maybe I knew exactly what I was buying when I bought it

boxer 2.5 10-18-2013 10:53 PM

It's the nature of the boxer design. IMO!! Every Subi i've had has a rough idle. Not exceptionally rough, but not as smooth as my Honda was. The important part is the way it performs when moving!

TruRace 10-18-2013 11:38 PM

Almost feels like the motor is missing too.... and I think the issue lies elsewhere. My idle is at 750 with the tune and it still stumbles.


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