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jeebus 09-14-2013 12:49 AM

17x9 +42 & 245/40 w/ RCE yellow and maxed camber bolts
 
DOES NOT FIT

I've read this fits from some, I've heard it doesn't from others, I've heard "maybe" from another camp. But for the record, it DOES NOT FIT in front, due to clearance with the front strut assembly. It is a very small amount of rub, but it is not something I would drive on. I have 3mm spacers on the way that should resolve this, but I figured I'd make a thread that is easy to find when searching.

ayau 09-14-2013 12:54 AM

@jeebus, I think those people were running the OEM bolts (i.e., 0 camber). Even at 0 camber, you're really close to the front spring perch. I wouldn't recommend it especially on 245 tires.

There are a couple of options.
Run spacers at the front.
Run aftermarket coilovers with smaller diameter springs/shocks.
Run less camber.
Run slimmer wheels/tires.

I have OEM crash bolts with 17x7.5 +50 wheels on 215/45/17 tires and there's rubbing under high loads.

If you're using OEM suspension with crash bolts, I'd personally use wheels with +42 or lower offset and no wider than 225 tires.

fstlane 09-14-2013 09:01 AM

For the record, this is how much clearance I have with op's exact setup using stock bolts.
http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/...ps72ec0857.jpg
http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/...ps1c6b50e0.jpg

jeebus 09-14-2013 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by ayau (Post 1211396)
@jeebus, I think those people were running the OEM bolts (i.e., 0 camber). Even at 0 camber, you're really close to the front spring perch. I wouldn't recommend it especially on 245 tires.

There are a couple of options.
Run spacers at the front.
Run aftermarket coilovers with smaller diameter springs/shocks.
Run less camber.
Run slimmer wheels/tires.

I have OEM crash bolts with 17x7.5 +50 wheels on 215/45/17 tires and there's rubbing under high loads.

If you're using OEM suspension with crash bolts, I'd personally use wheels with +42 or lower offset and no wider than 225 tires.

Or ditch the camber bolts and get camber plates, since that won't change clearance at the tire.

I'm really hoping the 3mm spacers (should be here today) do the trick. Otherwise I guess I'll ditch the camber bolts and order some plates. Not really in the budget this week though...:mad0260:

Figo 09-14-2013 11:01 AM

Spacers

djdnz 09-14-2013 08:49 PM

Yup, I coulda told you that, my wheels are the exact same offset and width. In fact the question has been answered a few times in the will it fit thread.

jeebus 09-14-2013 08:51 PM

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well...I did a little grinding on the spring seat and put 3mm spacers in. It "clears". Even with the bolts maxed out. It's pretty dang close though.

MPI_Jack 09-15-2013 12:54 PM

Any pics of how close? I want to order the same wheels you have eventually. Not interested in coilovers unless I can get super high quality ones.

jeebus 09-15-2013 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MPI_Jack (Post 1213383)
Any pics of how close? I want to order the same wheels you have eventually. Not interested in coilovers unless I can get super high quality ones.

here ya go. With the 3mm spacers and a tiny bit of grinding to the spring seat, there's about 3mm of clearance. Without the grinding, maybe 1.5mm...

Gunman 09-15-2013 03:05 PM

If this was a 17x8 rim, would there be more clearance? ie is the rim stretching the tire closer to the spring perch?

MPI_Jack 09-15-2013 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jeebus (Post 1213463)
here ya go. With the 3mm spacers and a tiny bit of grinding to the spring seat, there's about 3mm of clearance. Without the grinding, maybe 1.5mm...

I can def see where it would rub under hard cornering with some tire deflection. How do you like the Titan's?

jeebus 09-16-2013 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MPI_Jack (Post 1213558)
I can def see where it would rub under hard cornering with some tire deflection. How do you like the Titan's?

It might rub. I marked the tire there with some perm marker and haven't seen rub spots yet with "spirited" driving. AutoX might be a different story though. I will likely buy some camber plates and ditch the bolts so I feel more at ease.

LOVE LOVE LOVE the titans though. Light, cheap, look great IMO.

leon78 09-16-2013 06:48 PM

This is new news?

I still have my 5mm spacer from my +42 setup I had.

jeebus 09-16-2013 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by leon78 (Post 1215818)
This is new news?

I still have my 5mm spacer from my +42 setup I had.

It is new for tards like me.

garfull 09-20-2013 12:57 AM

i have 17x9 et45 on factory bolts and have about the same clearance. im only getting .5 degrees of camber and wanted close to 1.5 in the front. was hoping to add 3mm spacers and max out crash bolts. im glad i read this thread because that would put me at et42 and it didnt fit for the op.

jeebus 09-20-2013 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by garfull (Post 1223277)
i have 17x9 et45 on factory bolts and have about the same clearance. im only getting .5 degrees of camber and wanted close to 1.5 in the front. was hoping to add 3mm spacers and max out crash bolts. im glad i read this thread because that would put me at et42 and it didnt fit for the op.

might depend on what tires you have. The 245 rivals look kinda beefy to me.

Buy yeah, get some plates.

bfrank1972 09-20-2013 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by jeebus (Post 1223930)
might depend on what tires you have. The 245 rivals look kinda beefy to me.

Buy yeah, get some plates.

I was gonna say the same thing - the rivals might be exacerbating the issue.

bkblitzed 09-20-2013 02:52 PM

good thing i went with 35 instead of the 45 for rpf1's whew

Aznsky 09-20-2013 03:10 PM

So it sounds like if you did want to go 17x9, it's better to go +35 huh?

jeebus 09-20-2013 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Aznsky (Post 1224467)
So it sounds like if you did want to go 17x9, it's better to go +35 huh?

It seems that way. I'm pretty surprised that places like tirerack even sell 17x9 +45 for this platform.

garfull 09-21-2013 08:29 PM

So I decided to give it a try and have also confirmed that 17x9 et45 245/40 setup will rub with crash bolts even with a 3mm spacer.

However this setup will work with the factory 14mm bolt in place of the larger 16mm oem bolt. It cleared without spacers, but I added 3mm spacers just in case.

I also couldn't find any toyota or subaru dealer that had the oem 14mm shock bolt so I got some grade 8 9/16-20x2.5 bolts, washers and nut from the hardware store. The 9/16 bolt is a hair larger than 14mm but just fit. I'd prefer to get the oem bolt to match but it's a weekend and my alignment appt is Monday. Out here in CA, we don't get much corrosion so I didn't need the coated oem bolt.

The Racers Line 09-22-2013 01:33 PM

Why not use the crash bolts to ad some positive camber back to the setup, to push the wheel away from the strut.(if the only negative camber you have is from lowering springs) Then use camber plates to properly get the camber you want without moving the wheel in. Cheaper then buying coilovers and safer then using wheel spacers.

MPI_Jack 09-29-2013 09:52 PM

You should also take into account not every 245/40/17 has the same sidewall shape.

wparsons 09-30-2013 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Aznsky (Post 1224467)
So it sounds like if you did want to go 17x9, it's better to go +35 huh?

+35 9" wheels will poke quite a bit, especially on stock springs and alignment.


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