Kreissieg Exhaust
 

Hey guys,


For those who don't know, Kreissieg is a premier exhaust maker from Yokohama Japan. They make exhaust systems for brands like ferrari, lamborghini, porsche and etc. They are well known for their valvetronic exhausts which imitates high pitch F1 sound.

Having driven my TRD 86 for about two months now, I've been quite disappointed by the exhaust note. This may be because the Japan TRD exhaust is only an axleback. So I tried looking online for almost a month now but none of the exhausts really sound that good in my opinion. Even the higher end exhausts like Tommy Kaira and Amuse have quite mediocre exhaust note imho.

Anyways, having heard a friend's Kreissieg exhaust in his lambo (I know a flat four can never sound as exotic as a italian V10), however I was really curious whether they could help make something special for my 86. I decided to send an email to them and see what they think.

I received a reply from a Kreissieg representative saying that they can craft one of their valvetronic exhaust systems that will fit my TRD rear bumper.
I specifically asked for a quad titanium tip exhaust because I feel that dual tips for the 86 always look too big relative to the actual piping. They will also provide a wireless remote control to control the opening and closing of the valves which controls the sound level (level 2 & 5). level 2 being sport exhaust and level 5 being high pitch F1 mode.

The price is $4200 dollars, which includes a one-off system, air shipping, and remote controls for the valves. It will take approximately 2 months for development, testing and shipping.

Now I know many of you are thinking "WTF! An exhaust for $4200 on a 86?" But please keep in mind that the base car in Hong Kong costs approx 50,000 USD. And I have already spend half of that amount adding most if not all TRD upgrades available (Lol, couldnt help it).

Before I spend this money, I would like to get some valuable input from you guys.

What do you guys think? If you had the money, would you pay for this exhaust system? Or should I keep the TRD exhaust and wait for possible header/midpipe upgrades from them? Any constructive/valuable comments are much appreciated. Thanks!

Honestly that amount of money spent on a single item is going to depend on the person. I think there are some people who spent $2500+USD on a M7 exhaust or even $2500 on the JDM STI exhaust, and they find value in it if it makes them happy.

But you know a majority of normal people that don't have disposable income, will spend no more than $800 on a full exhaust system.

So basically I'm saying, if you think $4200USD is worth it for an exhaust if it gives you the sound you are seeking for and makes you happy, then go for it.

But in my personal opinion, I'd rather get a SuperCharger or Turbo kit for that type of money.

If you find the amuse exhaust isnt good enough just use the money to change header/frontpipe/midpipe since if that exhaust will only be catback there is not much diferrent than amuse except it can get less loud.. with that said.. you heard the amuse exhaust with amuse front pipe or just the exhaust?

I think I heard the amuse video with just exhaust..not 100% sure. Will try to look for some sound clips again.

I think you're hitting the wrong audience here. Exhaust sound is important, but spending hefty $4200 on exhaust with no significant performance increase won't attract customers. Not sure about countries abroad, but I am sure all the people in the states will spend their money on something else like supercharger, turbo, header, much more options that will yield better result than just an amazing sound.

I'd say unless they can guarantee this exhaust will make your car sound like an LFA don't bother. Then again if you can swing the cash it would be pretty cool to have a one of a kind exhaust system.

you'd have to be a complete moron to spend $4200 on a bunch of pretty pipe. it's an exhaust system. all it has to do is give exhaust a way out the back. there are just so many far cheaper ways to accomplish this that i can't imagine anyone actually buying into that.

then again, people pay $3k+ for wheels so who knows. there's a sucker born every minute i guess.

IMO, if you aren't happy with the exhaust note with what you've heard, you're never going to be. I know I'll never like it after 10 years with my WRX. So I got a quiet catback. I would never spend even a quarter of that price on an exhaust, and certainly not on one I'd never heard.

I'm going to go against the grain here, but if you're in the financial position to afford it, why not? People buy 100,000USD watches that tell time no better than a 10USD Casio, but they can afford it and that's what they enjoy. You've done everything else you wanted to do to your car; buy the exhaust and love it.

If you have the money go for it but they should make it a headerback at least. Its a shame if they spend all this money designing this perfect sounding catback and then you put a front pipe and header and everything changes.

For the super high price I think id get the amuse setup.

That's because you did.... By the same OP... www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35265

yeah. I had posted a couple months ago. But recently I have been thinking about it again hahah.

Apologies for the repost.

Thanks for your comment. I agree $4200 is a insane amount to spend on an exhaust just for sound. definitely thinking twice about this. The thing is I am planning upgrade the car bit by bit. Planning to go NA route..however..as of now there are not much substantial NA options besides I/H/E, lightweight pullies, and etc.

I would go with a catless front pipe from Motiv concepts. It will make your existing exhaust sound better. http://www.motivconcepts.com/scion-frs/test-pipe/

if you can afford it, good on you... me HELL NO i'm spending roughly 7k on a turbokit w/ full supporting mods and full turbo back exhuast.. i know i'm going to love it.. UEL manifold, turbo and full 3" exhuast with no resonators.... mmmmm sexy

If I had that kind of money on hand to spend I would actually consider it.
But not before I heard at least a sound clip of it.

The only problem is that our cars don't make enough power to justify the F1 sound though. Maybe if you already went F/I it would make sense...

I'd say if you can and want to have a unique sounding car, go for it ! (but post a clip afterwards so we can drool ! :p)

Thanks for your comment. I understand that it is extremely risky to pay so much for an exhaust that I've never even heard. Maybe I've been hanging out with the wrong crowd haha..all my friends have lambo, ferrari, porsches which have a much more exotic sound.

Appreciate your comment. You bring up a very interesting point. Yes, some people spend on 10 USD on a Casio and some 100,000USD for something like a Rolex. I guess its all about how you "value" things. If I do get this exhaust, I just hope it sounds better than an average JDM tuner exhaust.

Thanks for comment! I hope so too..this is also why I am thinking twice about this purchase. There's alot of unknown factors for example: sound, compatability with other after market pipes..I don't even know whether it will be a catback or just an axle back. They will just make whatever is necessary to get the best sound available from the engine.

I was thinking about the amuse setup after looking through the Hyper Rev Magazine I bought a few weeks ago. The thing is there are so many exhaust systems for this car from Japan..but they rarely post soundclips for their exhaust. I tried looking through many Japanese websites but ended up finding nothing.

Your best bet for sound clips is Youtube.

Thanks for your comment! hahaha..nice! Keep us updated. Sounds like it will be beastttt. I've been waiting for some nice proven NA setups from Japan..however it seems like it will take awhile before anything good comes up.

Thanks for your comment. And I do agree with you. Maybe somebody else on this forum can buy the exhaust and send me a sound clip hahahah. They probably can't make the F1 sound with this car..but it will be more raw/higher pitch I think. Check out this video of a Lotus and VW R32.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZXucatt5AM"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZXucatt5AM[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsUNkljdRSA"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsUNkljdRSA[/ame]

The lotus is mid-engined so the pipes are shorter, wouldn't really be a good indication of what to expect. The R32 on the other hand is closer I think.

I wont doubt that the amuse system will sound awesome and they offer a front pipe. Its light, stupid good quality and will sound good.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41108
If not this setup is pretty sick and I think for the price of either the amuse or the one you want you can get this full setup with the header and everything. I just think it needs a overpipe but that wont be hard to get.

Also search auto factory their setup sounded amazing and plenty of people on here lusted for that setup.

Autofactory is nice setup :) though the tip design isnt not for all... bending down...

If you guys were to choose between billet steel exhaust tips or titanium burnt tips. Which would you guys choose?

Full bluish titanium like amuse does... if you prefer the bluish... if not...

I think a brushed steel finish is better looking than a polished one...

We could make a valved rear muffler for half that...
As the GT86 doesn't have a valve as stock you need a system that will let you choose between quiet and loud mode.
You can purchase a compatible electro-pneumatic valve (to be fitted on the intake so it'll give you a vacuum line) + switch (or even a remote) + vacuum pipes for less than $ 300.

This will control a pneumatic valve on the exhasut and will allow to between loud and quiet mode at will.
We don't use electrical valve as they are prone to failure caused by heat.

Aso for the design, the loud mode can be a direct pipe, the silenced as quiet as our homologated system.
Both modes can discharge through the tailpipes, to avoid bypass pipe that send the gas under the car as some cheap systems does.

This is for the TT-RS, perfect left-right split in both modes:
http://www.supersprint.com/public/images/49806.jpg
The valve is made by HJS (which provide our cats) and has its own heatshield.
http://www.supersprint.com/public/images/49819.jpg

This is how the sound changes...
[ame]http://youtu.be/1y0qO1X-wkw?t=3m51s[/ame]
[ame]http://youtu.be/tIat84CM13s?t=32s[/ame]

Gardus what are you waiting for then? :D

(TT sounds mint btw!)

Thanks for the detailed post! Very enticing indeed. I will think about it and send you a PM within a day or two. Btw, do valve systems affect performance in anyway when its opened/closed? Or does it merely affect sound level only?

The silenced route is still a direct flow silencer so it doesn't affect performance in anyway, actually it's better than stock. The direct route is as free-flowing as an exhaust can ben. Think muffler-delete like Berk or similar.
We always test the system on the dyno in both mode to ensure performance are as stock or better.

The fact is to develop such a system we need time and a reasonably amount of customers willing to place orders before the development start...or a tuner/dealer who is willing to purchase a batch of these and handle sales.

We something similar with a few BMW tuners in Germany and the UK.
We made two systems for Leib Engineering, for the E82 1M Coupè:
http://www.supersprintfiles.com/DSC_9417.jpg

And for their E92 M3 GT500
http://www.supersprintfiles.com/DSC_8518.jpg
They provide their own control system, a "black box". The interesting thing it that it connects to the CANBUS interface, so it allows to activate the loud-quiet mode through the M button on the steering wheel (or any other button on the dash actually).
Check out the video:
[ame]http://youtu.be/z2B5wANALPk?t=58s[/ame]

The routing, silencer size etc will need to be defined specifically for the room available under the chassis of the GT86 and the sound of the car.

Money has differing amounts of value to every person.

Better than half the US, and 99.9% of the people on the planet would think any of us are fucking insane for spending ~$30,000 on a brand new vehicle (especially one with little actual utility) when walking, a bike, a moped, mass transit, a million used car options, etc, etc, etc are all "better" and/or "cheaper" options. But it's a choice that we made based on the value that we place on the vehicle in relation to the value we place on the money we used to purchase it.

Same goes for Exhaust. Or Wheels. Or a Supercharger. Or whatever.

So... putting myself in your shoes, it seems like a no-brainer to me. You've already spent upwards of $25,000 on bits and pieces of, frankly, regular-ol' TRD pieces that anyone can buy. You're clearly trying to make a unique vehicle that aligns with your tastes and desires. To spend another $4,000 for a highly customized extremely unique modification that's as noticeable every single time you start your vehicle as an exhaust is seems to me like something right up your alley. And if money were no object, I'm sure we'd all be doing some equally 'ludicrous' modification to our cars to make it unique because, ultimately, that's what most of us are after to some degree or another. For some it may be a custom turbo, for others an engine swap, for others a widebody kit, for others one-off forged wheels, etc, etc, etc.

Thanks for your comment! So much truth in your post I don't even know where to begin hahaha. You nailed it.

Have you decided yet if you'll risk it ?

Ordered a one-off quad-tipped exhaust system to fit my TRD rear bumper from Kreissieg along with wireless control. Decided not to choose burnt titanium tips and just opted for normal ones so I saved about 300 bucks. It'll take approximately 1-2 months for them to develop this system for me. Can't wait!

Oh. my. GOD.

It's about to go DOWN! Holy crap... :confused0068:

Lol..I am excited to hear how it sounds like..I hope you guys are too. But let's all keep our expectations as realistic as possible. There's no way it'll sound like those exotic cars..i'll be happy if it sounds better than most usual aftermarket exhaust. I'll update this thread if I hear anything from Kreissieg in regards to the development process. And I will definitely pictures of the installation process and last but not least a sound clip. Just make sure you guys keep your expectations in check so I don't get bashed after posting the vid hahahha.

Nice to hear. Hope everything works out well for you. Curious to see and hear what they can come up with !

Keep us informed !

This should be interesting!

I like the Countach pipes they make...

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-xWwiPOxoM"]Lamborghini Countach with Kreissieg exhaust - YouTube[/ame]