Twins vs Genesis Coupe from the perspective of GC owners
 

http://www.gencoupe.com/2-0t-discuss...ubaru-brz.html

This is just hilarious to me. One person makes the comment that you need 285 tires for the twins to handle 300HP, and he doesn't think a large enough tire would fit anyway, because you need at least a 285 for 300 hp right?

Going onto another forum is very enlightening sometimes. Not so much what they are saying is incorrect (HP numbers and track times), but the bias is so strong when you get together with a group of people together who want to talk and validate their purchase. I don't think we're too different over here, but obviously our twins are the far superior car. ;)

I agree 100%, we do the same thing here. But wow, that thread made my laugh and vomit at the same time.

I actually like gen coupes, but that is a poor representation of their enthusiasts for sure. :/


I don't get why people think they're not allowed to like more than one car. If not like, at least respect. Oh well. Their forum at least reinforces my decision to pass on a gennie.

I liken the Gen goupes more to the Camaro and the Mustang than the twins. If I had to choose between the three? I'd choose the Gen.

As for why I got the BRZ compared to the Gen twin? I never could find a manual 3.8 to test drive and the dealer here in Chattanooga completely ignored me when I would come in looking for what I wanted. So, I never got to compare... But from what I heard the clutch would have been a HUGE pain point and I also imagine that the car would have had a "heavy" feel like a 370Z/G37. I like the light nimble feeling I get in the BRZ.

I think most true car enthusiasts likes all types of cars in general. I can appreciate the insane amounts of HP/torque in American muscle cars, the beauty/style of European cars, and the overall value in Japanese cars. If we had the $ to be like Jay Leno and Adam Carolla, some of us would.

I actually really like the GenCoupe 2.0T as well. I mean a 270HP turbo-charged RWD coupe with good looks and exponentially improving public perception & quality for ~$25k... Yes please more of those in the market please.

But for my money, the twins were just something very special where the whole is much greater than the sum of its parts.

Agreed!! It's always about the feel of the whole

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Well I owned a 2013 Genesis Coupe 2.0T and after 14 months sold it for a BRZ. I think the above is spot on, for under $25K (assuming 2.0T manual) you get a pretty loaded car with lots of horsepower and torque in the Gencoupe. In a straight line in stock configuration the Gencoupe is noticeably faster. That said, the BRZ is definitely more of a drivers car. And by that I mean much better seating position in the car, much more responsive handling, much better gear box, better seats, and a much lighter more toss-able car. The NA engine definitely has better throttle response. People cross shopping these cars really need to go out on extended test drives with both and determine what is best for you. If you are someone who wants more straight speed and does not like the American muscle cars (Mustang, Camaro, Challenger) the Gencoupe is a great alternative.

The Genesis Coupe is in an odd category IMHO. It wants to be a GT car, but is not quite, and it also seems Hyundai is trying to compete with a car like an Infinity G37. It is rather good at lots of things, but master of nothing.

The front end is very polarizing and at some angles it looks aggressive and sporty. And at other angles it looks like a bloated catfish... I actually preferred the front end of the previous Gencoupe, but I get what Hyundai was trying to do. I find the BRZ/FR-S to be a nicer looking vehicle overall.

Did they ever re-design the interior of the gencoupes? The switch layout on the doors was somewhat retarded when I test drove a 2011 model and between the ergonomics of it and the blue lighting I was somewhat turned off to it. Granted with the power boost it's received since then it'd be interesting, but it still felt pretty big and the interior space isn't horribly more than what you get in the twins.

They revised the interior. Better materials overall with the 13. One odd thing they did do though was to add some pretty useless gauges below the A/C controls (the MPG and Torque gauges are 100% useless, the needles move around like crazy, not sure who thought this was a good idea):

http://www.autoguide.com/gallery/d/5...DI_NOISSES_PMT

they're all...BOOST OR NOT IZ GOOD, CAN I HAZ MORE BOOST?

Nothing new. It's all about what the people want from a car. Go to a S2000, MR2 Spyder, or Miata forum and they have overall positive thoughts about the twins.

Some people could see through the BS like on the GC forum. Some appreciate the twins.

*Yawn* same issues with the 350z vs S2000 debate.

Not sure if everyone is oblivious to this, but low center of gravity 99.9% of the time betters a car's handling on a typical street road or race track. That 0.1% is if it's scraping. Now that Toyota and Subaru are marketting this as one of the best inherent features of the twins everyone with a bloated pony car is saying it's a gimmick.

What?

Everyone stop lowering your cars; It's a gimmick. Removing the sunroof and lowering the weight of the roof with a roof plug is a gimmick, you 240sx owners out there.

Holy shit, we've all been tricked into thinking that low CoG is good but it's really really EVILLLLL; it will kill your father and rape your childhood.

Worse car to buy is a gencoupe had a stage 2 2010 gencoupe. Thing slid everywhere, pain in the ass for gas. No quality parts. When I got the frs, too slow needed a turbo. Got one and I wouldnt want anything else. Unless it's a 335 or 135 :P

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my brother owns a gen coupe and we switched cars last weekend and drove around a bit.

He likes my car a lot better but I gotta say I WAS surprised at how fast gen coupes are. that turbo really makes the upper half of the tach just blow by.

The main thing is COG but also curb weight. The gen coupe is pretty heavy. It makes up for it with more hp and big brakes, but its a different overall experience.

to each his own.

I do love all the justification on all sides though....


The grass is always greener. I sometimes worry about the longevity of the FR-S Engine and if I would've been beter off keeping my NC Miata or getting something else, but life's too short to wonder what could've been.

I love my car and look forward to driving it everyday and I couldn't be happier. I hope the same to anyone driving any car. Gen coupes are great cars, FR-S are great cars. Lemons, now those are bad cars.

Nothing unusual going on at the GenCoupe forums. We all like to affirm our decisions...that's what we do here on a daily basis. Sometimes the rhetoric goes over the top...and when you point that out...your forum mates will flame you.

Now drink the damn koolaide.

Should have talked to me before lol. I sold my 135i for dirt cheap. I did put it back to stock but I would have sold it with mods installed :happy0180:

Damn lol nice jb4 and I'll be set

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My experience is limited to test drives (with no salesman -- beat the shit out of the demos. I pick my FRS up on Saturday), but I feel the 86 is a nicer place to sit. I'm a tall guy, and I couldn't quite find a comfortable driving position in the gencoupe. I feared that I'd have the same issue with the FRS, but that bucket seat fits me like a brand new golf glove, and was able to find more than one comfortable position. Those dials in the console of the gencoupe are retarded. I took a girl down with me while I was shopping around (in case I wound up rolling off the lot in something new and needed someone to drive my car home), and she couldn't stop making fun of the things. She knows nothing about cars, and couldn't see the point. I did my best to justify them to her (I had yet to drive the FRS, and was seriously considering buying the genesis), but I was definitely reaching. They're just lame.

The handling of the gen is quite good, even if it does feel heavy and like to understeer, and there's no denying it hauls when the turbos are spinning. It feels like an Asian-built muscle car to me, and that just isn't something I'm willing to spend 30k on. I also see them fairly often, and have yet to see an FRS/BRZ here in Nova Scotia. There is only one Scion dealer in NS, and he said they've averaged 2 FRS sales per month.

The FRS is slower for sure, but it also felt more fun to drive based on my 20 minute sample sizes. Slightly less power isn't necessarily a bad thing for me... a speeding ticket here nets you a 7 day suspension of your license, and I'm a paramedic... that's also a 7 day suspension from work. The FRS and gencoupe do different things well, and fit a different niche if you ask me. The qualities of the FRS just suit me better. I'm fully willing to admit that stock vs stock, and most likely dollar for dollar in aftermarket upgrades, the gencoupe will go around a track faster than an FRS. But in the immortal words if Jeremy Clarkson, he who is last shall be sideways and smiling.

Plus it's way nicer looking. :thumbup:

This guy could not agree more:
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Yea I had JB4, FBO, meth, etc. 11.97 on street tires / full tank of pump gas :]

People on this forum are just as, if not more, bias than the people on the Genesis forum...

Sadly I agree. Sucks, but it's true :thumbdown:

"Some" should be added to this sentence... I really liked the Gen as it was an answer to what I wanted until the Twins came out which met more of my wants. Still have major respect for the Gen and what it brings to the market! :D

You are going to find this on any car forum. That said, most people on forums like this one and Gencoupe are pretty cool. Unfortunately. there are a few bozos on both forums who take these things too far.

I agree, I participate on this forum because I like most of the people on it. I am just saying that everyone on here making fun of how biased the Genesis guys are on that forum are definitely the pot calling the kettle black because we could make a list of threads on here that are just as bias.

WTF :eyebulge:

Yup. 90 days after the conviction you lose it for 7 days. Ridiculous. If they let you off with the minimum ticket, there is no suspension, but it's still over $250 to pay the fine. So if I get a ticket over the miminum (which they can give at, I believe, 11km over the limit) I'm out over $1500. If I'm in uniform I'll probably get let off or reduced to the minimum, but I have to be very careful where I choose to have some fun.

Switchlanez better put on a fucking fire suit because those GC people are going to flame him like Mount Kilauea

Not sure why you don't want to believe it, but 10% change in cog all else being equal can be barely felt from the drivers seat by even the most talented drivers. If significant enough, it can sometimes (but often not) be seen in lap times. Typically it's a tiny improvement and unless seconds over an hour is significant, cog is a gimmick. Subaru advertisments playing up cog are a gimmick. Subaru adds that lead you to believe that it is primarily becuase of the boxer engine are an outright lie (Any 3rd year mechanical engineering student can sit down run the calcs and confirm that)

The majority of the time, CoG is changed it is changed along with some else (like stiffer lowering springs). It is the something else that is giving you the vast majority of the noted benefit. You have been tricked into thinking it is the cog.

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the gen coupe isn't all that great. My 04 STi put those in shame in autox and on canyon roads.

I had a 3.8 GenCoupe with every option. Much like when I bought a G35 Coupe new back in '04, I really liked it. However, as time went on the little issues piled up. Still a decent car for the money, but definitely suffering from an identity crisis.

The BRZ just felt so much more defined as a sports car. It tries to be nothing that it isn't. And that's exactly what I like so much about it.

I said it before and ill say it again;

You can alway add power to a good chassis.
But you can't add a good chassis to power

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Do you have some resources to back this up? I find it hard to believe that the effects are as small as you are implying. Nevetheless I look forward to being enlightened :)

I agree. a co-worker just got a 2.0T 13 premium. I like the car overall. Nice, good looking(minus the fake hood vents and the ugly nose grill) and it seems quick. He is an old man(55) and was babying the car. When I bought my FR-S the 13 gen coupes just came out. I narrowed my choices between a 2.0T R-Spec and a FR-S/BRZ but I could not find them any where. Plus one dealer completely blew me off for the 2.0T Gen Coupe. So I ended up with the FR-S because I know now in one word racecar vs sporty car :burnrubber:

Amen. The Subaru Engineer said the exact same thing. Tuners will always modify the heck out of their cars, but it's the job of the manufacture to make the base and chassis as good as possible. Something that can't be modified.

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It's ok, I thrive in the fire. ;) Would be nice if some brave souls joined in as fellow 86 ambassadors.

How many Corvette LS2 have been put in a Genesis chassis? on another note, I parked WAY out in a parking lot tonite, and when I was leaving, a Genesis was waiting for my "don't ding me bro" spot. Nonetheless I gave him a thumbs up, and he returned it. I enjoy all cars, but chose to drive the BRZ after much consideration. The reason I chose BRZ: :drool: