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FR-S / BRZ reliability stats
We have some updated reliability stats for the FR-S and BRZ based on owner experiences through March 31, 2013. A big thanks to the owners here who have been helping!
A reported repair frequency of 41 repair trips per 100 cars per year is a bit worse than the average for new cars. A few commonly reported problems--all discussed in detail on this forum--are the reason. Once these are past, the stat will improve if no new common problems appear. To see how competitors compare, and to sign up to help improve this information: Scion FR-S reliability ratings and comparisons |
Judging by my own car (manuf March 2012) and the comments in the forums, it seems that most of the problems relate to cars in the first two months of manufacturing - I know Toyota has spent some pretty good cash fixing these issues with my own car (and still as yet unresolved, like the rear package shelf popping). Still, tools like TrueDelta help us owners get a better feel for the overall issues with the cars - if more people participate - not just those of us with problems!
Hopefully the trend will be upward on reliability as the cars age. |
i wonder how many of these were due to tail light condensation and the chirping noises.
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I would hardly call a few rattles and chirps reliability issues.
That's why this repair frequency stat report needs to be taken lightly. A repair for a blown engine is quite different than one for a rattle on the back shelf. Yet this survey counts them equally. So would you by a car based on this survey with fewer defects even though they were all engine and transmission related vs more reported instances with just some minor tweak issues? |
Anything that requires me having to bring the car to a dealer, taking up time that was meant for work/play MATTERS, whether is for a few rattles or a replacement engine.
Thank you for this thread Mkaresh |
We post the descriptions for all reported repairs to the site, so people can see what's behind the numbers.
Engines rarely blow during the first 120k miles these days. So if that's all someone is concerned about, buy anything. Even minor engine issues are rare during the warranty period. So by this measure the FR-S's issues are more serious than most. |
Interesting the Miata had fewest complaints, but then they had 20+ years to work out any bugs.
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Demographics also matter immensely. |
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Only one report of a complete engine failure, and in that case the fuel pump and cam gears were replaced. This failure appears to have occurred before the member joined, so it doesn't factor into our reliability stat for the car.
This is a large, active forum. If even one or two percent of members post about a problem, it will seem common. Even the most common problems, the tail light condensation and fuel pump chirp, are only being reported by about ten percent of the owners participating in our systematic survey. Over time this might double. This is a typical level for "common problems." |
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Younger people might be more likely to notice and do something about minor problems than older ones.
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Or conversely, older people who have experienced more cars are more sensitive to manufacturing defects having dealt with many in the past. I find that most younger people, members here generally excepted, have very little knowledge about cars.
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This sort of survey also doesn't assign weight to problems based on severity. A chirping fuel pump is considered the same as the engine throwing a rod. They're interesting to look at but you have to take it with a grain of salt as it tells you more about the customer base than the car itself. |
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The original 2.5L Subaru engine had a huge head gasket issue that was never fixed by Subaru because catastrophic failure averaged after warranty expired. The old 80's early 90's Subaru engines literally lasted forever like many Honda motors, hoping the FA20 was designed with similar philosophy. I just don't remember hearing about as many serious engine failures when the AP1 S2k was released. |
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This said, we'll have an alternate stat in the future that takes severity into account. |
We've updated our reliability stats for the FR-S to include owner experiences through June 30, 2013. Another source is about 14 months behind.
Repair frequencies, in terms of repair trips per 100 cars per year: 2013 FR-S: 38, moderate We have two additional statistics, "Nada-odds" and "Lemon-odds", to indicate the percentage of cars with no repairs in the past year and those that required 3+ trips to the repair shop: 2013 FR-S: 61, < 1 We'll have further updates in August and in November. The more owners participate, the more comprehensive and precise these will be. To see how competitors compare, and to sign up to help improve this information: Scion FR-S reliability ratings and comparisons |
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http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15577 I did a quick count and got 7. I was one of them. It all worked out in the end though :thumbsup: |
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This reminds me people that go to fast food places and demand the outmost attention, as if they were dinning in a decent restaurant. You are paying $1 for a burger, you are lucky the guy serving you that burger is wearing pants. Similarly, people like you, that judge cars (and potentially negatively review them) based on stupid issues like these ones, are a problem in the auto-market. If you were buying a Camry or Accord, or other daily driver sedan that has been built with no other purpose of reliability, economy and practicality, then by all means....go and complain that your light bulb burned 3 years after you bought the car. But you bought an entry level sports car....complaining and judging a car's reliability by the amount of "times you had to go" to a dealership is freaking stupid. That's why we have useless JD Power reliability reports, because people like this genius here, that take their cars and negatively review their vehicle for stupid things. Specially...SPECIALLY, considering this is a sports car, under $30k. You are not buying a Luxury Daily Driver Sedan for $70k+ to be expecting "minor sounds, issues" to be non-existant. You bought a entry level sports car. |
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$30k is no chump change for most people, myself included. "My car chirps like a bird, but its okay because it's an entry level sports car". "my door panels rattle on my commute to work every day, but its okay because its an entry level sports car". Nobody says that, because thats not how quality works. You may not value your time as much as some others, but making a trip to the dealership to inspect something or fix something is not something you get excited about. There was DAMAGE on my passenger side windows because the window rails were broken when installed from the factory. I ended up at the dealership for 9 HOURS. It was just a thin vertical scratch. Call me a baby, but the windows should NOT be doing that to itself during normal use. The entire experience is part of your experience with the car. Also - I think you are confused about something. Many luxury brands are built against the SAME quality standards as entry level vehicles. You can't expect these "minor" problems to be non-existant on a $70k either. :bonk: |
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There are some car sites that focus on complaints. We are not a complaint site. We don't have a "not recommended" or a "cars to avoid" list.
We ask that people simply report whether or not their car required a repair--any repair--a factual question. Either it did or it didn't. As soon as you do what others do, and ask people to report problems they "considered serious," subjectivity and emotions come into play. The quality of the results becomes questionable. You don't really know what you're measuring anymore. On the reporting end, we just try to provide accurate repair frequency numbers, together with all of the repair descriptions. We trust that people can look at the number, then look at the descriptions to see what problems are behind the numbers. Some people will look at the problems and say, "No big deal." Others will say, "I wouldn't want to deal with that." Neither response is inherently correct. Which is why we don't make this judgment ourselves. |
i wonder how many of these are due to owners doing things they shouldnt have done and messed up the car that way...
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As far as I know there was only 1 major issue and the was the DI seals. I haven't seen any new occurrences lately on that but I keep my eye on the forum.
What else was there... BRZ GPS signal, yea that sucks but they have an easy fix and it's not a problem anymore. Taillights, last I heard they fixed it finally. But I haven't even brought mine in yet I'm too busy enjoying driving it not looking at the taillights. Minor squeaks and rattles. I think I have seen on every car forum I've been to countless posts about these. Other than that I can't think of anything. Maybe the next issue will be the axles? So far the cars are proven reliable but that doesn't mean much for several more years and additional 100k miles. So I'd suggest if you want to know you are buying a reliable car wait until there are 5 year old 100k+ mile examples |
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Rear shelf popping. Can someone Ellaborate on this because I think thinking have it but I thought it was my third brake light rattling against the rear window
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We've updated our reliability stats for the FR-S to include owner experiences through September 30, 2013.
Repair frequencies, in terms of repair trips per 100 cars per year: 2013 FR-S: 48, moderate We have two additional statistics, "Nada-odds" and "Lemon-odds", to indicate the percentage of cars with no repairs in the past year and those that required 3+ trips to the repair shop: 2013 FR-S: 61, 3 We'll have further updates in February and in May. The more owners participate, the more comprehensive and precise these will be. To see how competitors compare, and to sign up to help improve this information: Scion FR-S reliability ratings and comparisons |
I really hope that the FRS doesn't have a bad reliability rating... I just got out of a lemon.... X__X
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It's going to have a somewhat bad score at least until these initial problems are past. But I wouldn't personally be concerned given the nature of the problems.
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The problems typically reported for the FR-S aren't the sort that would keep me from buying a car, but different people have difference tolerances. |
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We had a weird shift in weather (from mild winter to artic) and I noticed light condensation in my tail lights twice -the only time I ever touched the taillights was while washing the car. If someone verifies that this can never happen with the TOMS taillights then I'll swap them tomorrow. |
I think reliability is okay as liong as it doesn't get in the way of driving.
Tail light condensation - No problem. Engine problems are any problems under the front hood = nono |
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Not a Toyota, period...well, the annoying as hell fuel pump, the key fob, the direct injection system, and about 2 other tiny parts. Subaru is and always has been at least 1 step below average in quality according to all the literature I researched prior to buying. Hondas and Toyotas have always been 1 step above average, so, 2 steps above Subaru. We got what we paid for, it's exactly as expected. |
I'm glad I didn't read this reliability report before purchasing my BRZ, I might've been too hesitant to buy one.
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