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gdrider77 06-15-2013 05:10 PM

Best Oil for turbo engine.
 
Just curious what everyone is running for the engine oil on their Turbo builds.

King Tut 06-17-2013 01:30 PM

Amsoil Signature 0w20 currently.

No Limit Motorsport 06-17-2013 02:25 PM

I am using 5W30 Motul 300V.

Sportsguy83 06-17-2013 03:16 PM

Motul 8100 0w30

Dipstik-sportech 06-17-2013 03:42 PM

Running royal purple 5w30 (I know but it's all the parts store had at the time)

CBR600RR 06-17-2013 03:43 PM

one that comes in a jug that says 0w20

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Element Tuning 06-18-2013 10:59 PM

Taking no chances under racing conditions so I'm running Redline 40w Race which is a 10w40. While it might sap some HP oil temps are so high while racing, oil pressure drops, and a heavier oil will do a better job of maintaining oil pressure at high rpm.

Also do not forget the more power you make the more critical the oil wedge in your bearings becomes.

Phil Grabow

SilverSkyline210 06-18-2013 11:58 PM

Subaru's Idemitsu 5w30

jamesm 06-19-2013 01:15 AM

i'm running amsoil 5w30

No Limit Motorsport 06-19-2013 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Element Tuning (Post 1010415)
Taking no chances under racing conditions so I'm running Redline 40w Race which is a 10w40. While it might sap some HP oil temps are so high while racing, oil pressure drops, and a heavier oil will do a better job of maintaining oil pressure at high rpm.

Also do not forget the more power you make the more critical the oil wedge in your bearings becomes.

Phil Grabow

What is your thoughts about a 40w on stock bearing clearances? My fear with a 40w was it would be a bit too thick. I value your opinion.

gdrider77 06-19-2013 05:50 PM

Looks like it varies, i was thinking a good 5-30 synthetic.

deucethemoose 06-19-2013 09:23 PM

I'm running 5w-30

DJCarbine 06-19-2013 09:49 PM

Currently 5w30, next change is to GC 0w30

Fast_Freddy 06-19-2013 11:38 PM

5w30 full synthetic, 10w40 for racing use. The idea that bearing clearances are tighter now than the days when oem's like Subaru recommended running 20w50 in their turbo engines is a myth. Clearances haven't changed but CAFE standards have. 0w20 is used for improved fuel economy, at the expense of engine protection and longevity.

robotvoice 06-24-2013 02:59 PM

A lot of the turbo Subaru guys (including myself) use Rotella t6 5w40 with really great results. Not sure if that would be too think for the FA engines or not but if you're pushing boost, I would think you would be ok. Whatever you use I would recommend doing some UOAs to get an idea of how well the oil you choose is holding up for your setup.

Element Tuning 06-25-2013 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by No Limit Motorsport (Post 1010885)
What is your thoughts about a 40w on stock bearing clearances? My fear with Oil pressure loss is apparent even in NA for at high RPMOil pressure loss is apparent even in NA for at high RPM 40w was it would be a bit too thick. I value your opinion.

It's a compromise really but we know the motor was designed for 0-20w but we know that is primarily for fuel efficiency and maximum HP given relatively low power. Now I know the oil temps we see on our STi and others have noted 270F on stock FRS/BRZ on track so my primary concern was to deal with the high temp and how that relates to viscosity. .

Now synthetic oils are so much more high tech than they used to be an even these 40w race oils flow like a 10w so I wasn't concerned so much as I was aware of some possible negatives. Oil pressure loss has been observed at high rpm on track cars, the bearings are pretty thin so pressure requirements will be high, I'm running an oil cooled and journal bearing turbocharger, so all that added up to my decision.

It's warm right now so honestly I haven't observed any side effects at all, and if anything I no longer hear clanky metalic sounds at start up anymore. No doubt this will sap some NA power so those guys might be better off with 5w40.

Hope that helps and so far my FRS has taken serious bosted track abuse!

Thanks,
Phil Grabow

Nothing 06-25-2013 10:45 PM

AMSoil full synthetic 5w30

Fabron757 06-26-2013 04:34 AM

AMSoil full synthetic 5w30

Kuros 07-01-2014 12:59 PM

Sorry to revive an old thread.

I was wondering if any of you have a new opinion on the oil you were using a year ago, or a change of heart, anything really :P

Reaper 07-01-2014 01:07 PM

amsoil 10w30 dominator if you don't have cats and run e85 signature series otherwise

protpibe 07-01-2014 01:22 PM

I'm using Motul 300v 0w20. I think I'm going to try 30w on the next oil change. Oil pressures get kinda low at the track

Dream20b 07-01-2014 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Element Tuning (Post 1010415)
Also do not forget the more power you make the more critical the oil wedge in your bearings becomes.

Phil Grabow





Hit the nail right on the head.

zoth 07-01-2014 03:05 PM

Mobil 1 05w-30 here w/ Liqui Moly (3721) Cera Tec Friction Modifier.
Following oil changes would be Mobil 1 05w-30 with Liqui Moly 2009 Anti-Friction Oil Treatment .

ThisGuy919 07-01-2014 06:40 PM

WILL be running 05w30 Amsoil Synthetic

sam69 07-01-2014 11:25 PM

I was told it a heavier oil than 0/20w would interfere with the variable cam timing as it reduces the ability to make adjustments quick enough with a higher viscosity so don't use it . :iono:

Reaper 07-01-2014 11:27 PM

Then why does Subaru recommend 5w30 in the owners manual and put 5w30 in the fa20dit that has the same cams and clearances?

zoth 07-01-2014 11:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sam69 (Post 1826021)
I was told it a heavier oil than 0/20w would interfere with the variable cam timing as it reduces the ability to make adjustments quick enough with a higher viscosity so don't use it . :iono:

The manual also states 5-30 can also be used.

Manji 07-02-2014 12:05 AM

We have tried several different grades of oil. All Motul.
H Tech 0w20
H Tech 5w30
300v 0w20
300v 5w30

After analysing all, we now run 300v 5w30 in both NA and turbo applications.

Our results mimick Toyota Racing NZ, who run 5w30 in the TR86 race cars.

Stick with 0w20 if your car is mostly a street vehicle, and is NA. It will provide marginally better fuel economy. Which is essentially why it is the factory fill weight.

sam69 07-02-2014 12:09 AM

Will check the manual but I was sure it said 5/30 could be used if 0/20 wasn't
available but to change it out asap.

Anyone know anything about United oils full synthetic 0/30w API SN with a
viscosity index of 162 as I can get this at a very good price but don't know
anybody who uses it here.

Mine is now supercharged so hence my interest.

JP 07-02-2014 12:36 AM

the manual states
Quote:

An oil with a higher viscosity (one with a higher value) may be better suited if the vehicle is operated at high speeds or under extreme load conditions

Page 382 of the Australian delivered owners manual Pn# OM18023E

Reaper 07-02-2014 12:39 AM

Yup this has been covered many times

toekneehair 07-02-2014 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manji (Post 1826073)
We have tried several different grades of oil. All Motul.
H Tech 0w20
H Tech 5w30
300v 0w20
300v 5w30

After analysing all, we now run 300v 5w30 in both NA and turbo applications.

Our results mimick Toyota Racing NZ, who run 5w30 in the TR86 race cars.

Stick with 0w20 if your car is mostly a street vehicle, and is NA. It will provide marginally better fuel economy. Which is essentially why it is the factory fill weight.

I have been running 0w30 on my FI for some time but I am seeing a lot of people running 5w30 on here with their turbos. I'm glad to see someone who has tested a few different kinds post. You said you analyzed all the weights I am just curious what deciding factors you utilized in order to make the switch to 5w30. Was it individually oil temp or oil pressure under heavy loads? was it the combination of the two? Did you actually notice a difference in fuel economy at all? not that for me its a concern but maybe others would like to know. Were you running 91 octane or E85 during your tests? did you do cold start tests as well and have any noticeable differences on cold mornings? just a few questions.. and if anyone else has conducted actual side by side comparison tests I would love to hear their results.

Kuros 07-02-2014 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by toekneehair (Post 1826801)
I have been running 0w30 on my FI for some time but I am seeing a lot of people running 5w30 on here with their turbos. I'm glad to see someone who has tested a few different kinds post. You said you analyzed all the weights I am just curious what deciding factors you utilized in order to make the switch to 5w30. Was it individually oil temp or oil pressure under heavy loads? was it the combination of the two? Did you actually notice a difference in fuel economy at all? not that for me its a concern but maybe others would like to know. Were you running 91 octane or E85 during your tests? did you do cold start tests as well and have any noticeable differences on cold mornings? just a few questions.. and if anyone else has conducted actual side by side comparison tests I would love to hear their results.


I abslolutely second this.

I would love to see the nitty gritty details of your testing!

Seriously, I am extremely curious.

D K 07-02-2014 06:21 PM

Torco SR-1r 10W30 for me.

No issues so far

Pete156 07-02-2014 08:16 PM

0w20 Eneos Sustina

Looks as if I'm the only one

Draco_PR23 07-02-2014 09:45 PM

Running Eneos 0w20 at the moment.
I will need to change my oil soon and I might stick with the same oil.

blackfireball5 07-02-2014 09:47 PM

5w30 amsoil.

spitfire481 07-02-2014 10:10 PM

I've been running castrol 5w30 for probabaly 10 months now boosted on e85 with no oil cooler. When my built short block goes in and the power goes up I'll be running brad penn 5w30 for the break in 500 miles, then red line 5w30 from there out. I will be adding an oil cooler as well at that point

Reaper 07-02-2014 10:15 PM

Brad penn specifically says not to use their oil with e85 on their website. @spitfire481 making sure you saw this

Whatabouteggs 07-03-2014 12:05 AM

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/motor-oil-201/

0w20-40 based on oil pressure. You want 10psi per 1000rpm. There is no reason to use anything with a thicker cold rating than 0, other than cost. All oils are too thick to lubricate engines effectively until they reach operating temperature.


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